worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth

[IMB706]

Well, okay I really gotta go, but I'll part with this:

As far as I know there's no evidence that Goebbels was himself a victim.

I meant to suggest that some think he was a victim. I really don't know myself. It would fit though.

The programme was short-lived and initiated as a propaganda campaign on the heels of Mit brennender Sorge in order to de-fuse its impact, heels of Mit brennender Sorge in order to de-fuse its impact, and failed to uncover very many cases of abuse

That's really because there isn't a lot of child abuse really in the catholic church in the first place. Yes, there's significant cases, and yes some of the things catholics have done to kids and women is awful, but really catholic churches aren't rape houses like Bill Maher makes them out to be.

Still, Joseph Gobbels had a grudge, which leads some to think he was raped. I'll talk more about it later if you're interested.

Agreed. It's an instance of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Besides which, if failing to keep the Ten Commandments disqualified anyone from being Christian, there wouldn't be any Christians left.

But we probably should try to define "Christian"; I'm not sure everyone means the same thing by it.

I went to a Baptist church that accepted gays. I'm sure many would think they were anti-Christian and what not.


Anyway, here's my last responses to Emperor Ing, who I think I really offended.

The book IS evidence

Okay, but come on, you can't think of any modern examples to justify your statement on modern atheist?

Like I said, in regards to the atheism as a religion:
1) Scientists/atheistic materialists say they don't believe in undefinable concept "God"

There's scientist who believe in God.

4) Atheistic scientists/atheistic materialists believe in undefinable concept "truth"

So you don't believe in truth? You believe in fantasy?

You can see this in people like Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins, vehement atheists

Carl Sagan said:

Sagan, however, denied that he was an atheist: "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know."[38] In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."[39] Sagan maintained that the idea of a creator of the universe was difficult to prove or disprove and that the only conceivable scientific discovery that could challenge it would be an infinitely old universe.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan ... nd_beliefs

So I'm taking a page out of your book, mostly out of necessity, and not continue to address you on this manner. It seems you're really trying to offend me, but seriously, just think out your arguments and ideas more clearly and more based on facts and then we can have a good discussion.

C'ya later alligators.

[-ChozoChild-]

I'm really surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet...

I am just as shocked. All I read is mostly arguments on the this page.

But in there defense this whole thread idea of discussing 'the worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth' does and did--(read posts on this thread) encourage some pretty interesting and sometimes over the top discussions.

::to mods:: Lock please, before this gets too out of control. :3

[Satch]

*tries to leave the dead horse alone* ....HURP-

MAI MAI MAI, I think you got the story wrong.

The horse didn't die; Mr. Hands did!

Oh. Right, religion. [spoiler]Bayonetta punched God into the sun.[/spoiler]

I THINK WE KNOW WHO THE REAL WINRAR IS HERE.

[Steamlord]

Certain perceptions of/methods of expressing religion may be some of the worst things man has unleashed upon the earth, but religion itself certainly isn't. It's all what you make of it.

[Outlaw]

This thread is the worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth.

This thread is the worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth.

This.

[-ChozoChild-]

This thread is the worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth.

This.

I agree!

This thread is the worst thing man has ever unleashed upon the earth.

This.

I agree!

And I agree with your agreement of me agreeing with Outlaw!

[MaiAriSquee]

I guess what bothers me the most, IMB, is that you tend to pick apart people's responses to your thoughts, and you pick at places that don't need picking. (Don't you think EI knows there are scientists that believe in God? He's obviously not stupid.)

But then you act surprised, or at least defensive, when we interpret your words, inferring meanings and generalities.

From what I've read of your responses, you honestly sound like you think the liberal arts is a stupid field that doesn't warrant pursuing by any rational person, and that overall higher education isn't worth the possible crippling debt. How can this not sound offensive to people who are pursuing the liberal arts or going to four year programs?

In addition to that, it also sounds like you think getting some manner of license from a community college is of equal value to a four or five year degree, which I just do not agree with. I don't want to discount the value of community colleges- I would love to go take some art classes if I could, and my dad has taken classes that supplement his architectural background like REVIT (a design program) and a class that helped him get LEED (basically green design) licensed- but I'm glad I took the university route.

If we're citing friends as examples, two of mine who went to cc are currently struggling, and the other went on to an actual university. On the other hand, my two sisters who got liberal arts degrees are currently very successful women, insofar as their degrees got them well paying jobs- an elementary school teacher and a counselor. (Education and Psychology/Social Services)

What is your plan, anyway, if its any of our business? I mean, from all our talk I'm assuming you're going to this community college and then going job hunting two years later.

Satch, DON'T BRING THAT UP AGAIN.

[AuroraUnitComplex]

just think out your arguments and ideas more clearly and more based on facts and then we can have a good discussion.

wow....Anybody can say that if they disagree with someone, but the way you just said it sounded so, well...yeah, words fail me this evening.

(Don't you think EI knows there are scientists that believe in God? He's obviously not stupid.)

I concur.

[IMB706]

Well, it was a false alarm, I thought I had to go somewhere, but I didn't. Anyway:

I guess what bothers me the most, IMB, is that you tend to pick apart people's responses to your thoughts, and you pick at places that don't need picking. (Don't you think EI knows there are scientists that believe in God? He's obviously not stupid.)

Actually, it was because of what I said above. Yes I know he's not stupid, but if someone goes on about "scientist don't believe in god" and "atheistic scientist" it's kind of silly to me. Also indicating that I should probably just step out of the room.

But then you act surprised, or at least defensive, when we interpret your words, inferring meanings and generalities.

I do?

From what I've read of your responses, you honestly sound like you think the liberal arts is a stupid field that doesn't warrant pursuing by any rational person

Maybe what you just said above explains this statement. I never said that. I said the vast majority have no value when it comes to employment. The response I got to that was essentially that making a living is disgusting. That seems bizarre if you ask me. That's why I'm going to college, but if you want to pursue something else, go for it. Do it to your hearts content.

If we're citing friends as examples, two of mine who went to cc are currently struggling, and the other went on to an actual university. On the other hand, my two sisters who got liberal arts degrees are currently very successful women, insofar as their degrees got them well paying jobs- an elementary school teacher and a counselor. (Education and Psychology/Social Services)

Ironically, education is one of the only worthwhile pursuits with liberal arts these days (it's what I was trying to infer with how most don't become teachers and professors).

and that overall higher education isn't worth the possible crippling debt.

Not if it gets you nothing in return. Not always though. Medical school can put you into massive debt, but that's obviously a worthwhile pursuit. I'm just glad I won't have thousands of dollars of debt hanging behind me. I mean, who wants that?

that supplement his architectural background

Well, again, most don't become architects. Like with sports, most don't go into the big leagues, so reasonably, pursuing sports is usually not worthwhile.

What is your plan, anyway, if its any of our business? I mean, from all our talk I'm assuming you're going to this community college and then going job hunting two years later.

Well, you've been nice all this time, and you asked, so I do feel obliged to answer. Well my plan is to get a two year degree that will land me a good job in hardware engineering (I do want to go into a flexible field), and then possibly go for a four year degree later. I've made it terribly simple, but I think that's what you were going for.

wow....Anybody can say that if they disagree with someone, but the way you just said it sounded so, well...yeah, words fail me this evening

All I'm saying is play nice and don't take things personally. I don't. My brother used to take everything personally, and his blood pressure was killing him. Thankfully I helped him get out of that shell.

[mental]

I think if we continue this thread we should probably consider splitting it. Whole bunch of different topics mixed in at this point.

[IMB706]

Worst satirical movie ever made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpMxy_ydnMM

[MaiAriSquee]

Well, some of your responses still leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I think that's just more because of your style of expression than anything. It's doesn't strike me as very diplomatic...heheh.. If we, intentionally or unintentionally, get struck in the right nerve, we tend to take things personally. ^^;

What stuck out most to me was this:

Like with sports, most don't go into the big leagues, so reasonably, pursuing sports is usually not worthwhile

I suppose the bolded keeps this statement from being untrue...but... I don't know. I'm of the impression that if you work hard in your classes, network/do internships, and do good work, you should be able to get a job in your chosen field.

I don't think pro sports is the best analogy here. I guess the equivalent of something like that in architecture would be, oh, Frank Lloyd Right. (Or in the art field, Monet or Degas.) My dad may not be doing paradigm changing work, but he does good work that he finds edifying and warrants hiring and good pay. (Up until the takeover by Inbev, my dad worked for Anheuscher-Busch.) There are lots of people like that. I dunno...

Anyhow, I guess this is a fruitless argument? Your plan doesn't sound so awful. Maybe you should feel touched by our concern with your education.

EDIT: Yeah, sorry about that Mental! I guess I contributed.

[IMB706]

It's doesn't strike me as very diplomatic...heheh.. If we, intentionally or unintentionally, get struck in the right nerve, we tend to take things personally. ^^;

Yeah, I'm probably more at fault here. I've learned to not to take things personally, so I sometimes come off as cold and rather undiplomatic, I apologize.

I suppose the bolded keeps this statement from being untrue...but... I don't know. I'm of the impression that if you work hard in your classes, network/do internships, and do good work, you should be able to get a job in your chosen field.

Yeah but that's not how you get into the big leagues. Looks, super talent and connections is how you get into them. Pursuing sports is usually useless, people have talked about this years ago.

Many people become nurses, doctors, engineers, technicians, and other things in the applied sciences and usually become successful while so many lose when pursuing sports. But if you can make it, go for it.