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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby ChozoBoy » 10.27.09 1:04am

Triforce of the Gods wrote:
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Triforce of the Gods wrote:Same reason the different Links loose all of their equipment and start with nothing or a different sword and shield (depending on the Link). To make the game fun.

Starting overpowered and have nothing to collect=a very bad game that the developers of should be shot.

Actually, I think that's because most Links are different people entirely.


But there are sequels involving the same Link from the previous game and he either starts the second game with nothing or just a sword and shield.


Doesn't he normally lose them from going back in time/being shipwrecked/getting mugged by Skull Kid in most "sequels"?

Anyway, there are loads of potential explanations that could be made for occasionally disappearing power-ups. There are a bunch of other "questions" in the series that probably needed attention first, even though that one has been slightly in a few games.

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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby V_Jeff » 10.28.09 1:35am

I think Other M is trying to not-so-subtly retcon Samus to not having gotten the Gravity Suit. Check this out. Obviously, it's that scene from Super, but she's wearing the Varia Suit. I think. I can't get a good enough look at the shoulders.

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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Lazarius » 10.28.09 2:03am

Err... I think you'll find they put her in the Varia suit because it's iconic, and that's it. I fail to understand how Nintendo would want to retcon out the gravity suit.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby V_Jeff » 10.28.09 2:11am

Perhaps 'retcon' was a poor choice of words. I just find it weird that, of all the scenes they could stick in the premiere trailer, they stuck one from the end of Super Metroid in there. In retrospect, the Varia suit is probably just there because it's more recognizable, yeah.

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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby sharonlover » 10.28.09 6:52am

I would say it's the more recognizable suit. I mean in most games you don't get the Gravity Suit until near the end of the game or at a point where it's required which is further on. The Varia suit on the other hand has been the first 'real' upgrade to the suit in most games, SM (after Kraid) and Prime (after Flaaghra), can't remember where in the other's off the top of my head.

You could also point out that you are not required to wear the gravity suit 100% of the time after acquiring it. It simply let's you move in water easily and reduces damage taken in the game. Also in Super Metroid, didn't it protect you from the lava (not acid) that was in the entrance heading toward Ridley's layer? Or did the Varia suit protect you from that as well?

I know I would often times turn off the Gravity Suit while fighting mother brain in an attempt to 'die' faster. This lead to a quick beat down by the mother brains hyper beam and thus starting the 'metroid death' sequence quicker.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby mental » 10.28.09 9:17am

ChozoBoy wrote:That's a great point, SL.

I know this might be pretty unpopular, but she didn't fight MB with the Gravity in the comic! :P
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Reconite » 10.28.09 6:52pm

mental wrote:
ChozoBoy wrote:That's a great point, SL.

I know this might be pretty unpopular, but she didn't fight MB with the Gravity in the comic! :P
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Troid » 10.31.09 11:53am

I bet the developers could come up with some sort of explanation for this, but why bother? It makes more sense for them to just let us suspend our own disbelief.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby sockmonkey » 10.31.09 12:44pm

Or we could just say that the upgrades have a limited lifespan and be done with it.

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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby newhenpal » 11.06.09 8:09pm

Darth Naner wrote:
Daneasaur wrote:Anyway, sorry for the rant, but it's what's puzzling me.

100% gameplay purposes, absolutely no story element.

Seriously, a Metroid game starting with overpowered Samus would be lame.


Not in the case of Fusion. The classic Varia suit is only featured in the intro, Samus wearing a gravity suit in the intro wouldn't have changed anything at all. So in a way there there is a story element.

But the real reason is because the Varia suit is Samus' signature suit.

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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Lazarius » 11.06.09 9:04pm

Maybe she doesn't get the Gravity suit in Other M.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Code Green » 11.09.09 12:26pm

That...that'd be horrible! The gravity suit is really cool IMO, and I know about some...strong...disagreements, but I also love its color scheme.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Plas Durock » 11.20.09 1:33pm

Here's a note for ya, IIRC Super Metroid only checks for the Varia suit during the final battle, specifically when you're getting blasted by the hyper beam, allowing for some nifty glitches. Like Samus moving around freely when the baby metroid appears.
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Re: The ONE thing that's bothering me...

Postby Daneasaur » 11.24.09 3:44am

Okay, everyone misunderstands me apparently.

I'm not asking why she isn't starting a game with the gravity suit or all powerups.

I'M asking why, in the flashback of Super metroid in Metroid Other M, during the fight scene of Samus against Mother brain, is Samus in the Varia Suit and NOT in the gravity suit?

Why is it that in Metroid Fusion, Samus or the X, who BOTH are claimed to have her strongest abilities (Samus at the begining before the infection), does the X or Samus in the begining NOT have the gravity suit.

Explaining how it's lost is simple enough, say it's only temporary, or say it deactivates after she removes the suit, etc.

Just having her in the Varia is simple as a signature, and I'm cool with it, just...

Unless you did a no gravity suit run or turned it off for play purposes during the final fight, you did NOT end NORMALLY in the varia only.

I just find it funny for this to be so epic (and it is) but having such a major flaw.
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