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The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Mayan Mystery » 07.17.12 1:20pm

Other M is far from perfect (in many ways even disappointing), I think everyone here knows that. There were intense problems with the story that could have been easily fixed (okay maybe not THAT easily), and it would have made for a more interesting story if things were laid out differently. What I'm trying to accomplish here is basically asking: If you were designing other m on the basic principles and plot it follows, what would your game look like? I somewhat have what I would have liked to see out of M:OM's story outlined in my head, so I think I will get it out there in the open, but it still needs a lot of work. I'm completely open to criticism, and feel free to add on or propose your own modified game.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Dark Samus Aran » 07.17.12 3:09pm

I mean, good point, But I loved Metroid: Other M. I just did xD
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Remnants » 07.17.12 3:49pm

Crimony, I'm going to have to set time aside to read all of it x_x

As for what I would have done; start from scratch. The only thing relevant about OM's story was getting to know who this mysterious Adam Malkovich Samus talked about in Metroid Fusion. As for the whole corrupt federation plot device, I would hold back on that part and not make it central since that would detract from the Metroid Breeding Program plot device in Metroid Fusion. As for what the plot would be instead, it would be more of an experiment gone horribly wrong where vested interests may have made things go from bad to worse. Remember that scientist Samus handed the metroid hatchling to at the beginning of Super Metroid? Supposedly research into the metroid hatchling yielded something that would benefit civilization. Was there ever any indication of what this was? In the Super Metroid manual perhaps? Anything at all?
In any case, this would be the basis for how I would make a replacement story to Other M.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Mayan Mystery » 07.17.12 4:08pm

As for what I would have done; start from scratch. The only thing relevant about OM's story was getting to know who this mysterious Adam Malkovich Samus talked about in Metroid Fusion. As for the whole corrupt federation plot device, I would hold back on that part and not make it central since that would detract from the Metroid Breeding Program plot device in Metroid Fusion. As for what the plot would be instead, it would be more of an experiment gone horribly wrong where vested interests may have made things go from bad to worse. Remember that scientist Samus handed the metroid hatchling to at the beginning of Super Metroid? Supposedly research into the metroid hatchling yielded something that would benefit civilization. Was there ever any indication of what this was? In the Super Metroid manual perhaps? Anything at all?
In any case, this would be the basis for how I would make a replacement story to Other M.

I actually hadn't thought about that. I was mostly trying to go off of the scaffolding of the story Other M had already set, but that does actually make a lot of sense. And plus I guess other M's plot does kind of ruin it for metroid fusion.

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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Daya » 07.18.12 11:19am

For me, I thought it would be better if Other M was set as Samus' final mission in a moon that has been used as a Space Pirate base using bio-weapons while she was still a soldier.
Item-wise, we would aquire pirate items. Things like the Pirate Blaster could replace the Long Beam, a Pirate-Suit can open pirate-only areas...
On the story, the squad should be the same as in Other M, Ian included. In here, Samus secretly loves him, and has a great respect for Adam. In the begining, Samus is separated from her squad for the majority of the game. The rest plays like a typical metroid-game, but occasionally, you can hear your teammates in your radio-chatter.
A while before the endboss, Samus accidentately kills off Ian, and leaves her crying to his corpse.
During the final escape, Adam sacrifices his life for Samus (something like there's one escape pod left) and she flees from the exploding moon.
At the end, we can see Samus quitting the Federation, selling all the items she aquired during the adventure not only for extra-money for her bounty-hunter job, but also for the sake of the others (see Ian's accidental death at the hand of Samus herself, and can now be used as a decent excuse for "why Samus starts off with no items at the beginning of every game?").
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby okey » 07.18.12 4:18pm

AlphonseDaya wrote:At the end, we can see Samus quitting the Federation, selling all the items she aquired during the adventure not only for extra-money for her bounty-hunter job, but also for the sake of the others (see Ian's accidental death at the hand of Samus herself, and can now be used as a decent excuse for "why Samus starts off with no items at the beginning of every game?").

I can't picture Samus doing something this irresponsible.

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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby HYRUL3 » 07.18.12 5:22pm

AlphonseDaya wrote:For me, I thought it would be better if Other M was set as Samus' final mission in a moon that has been used as a Space Pirate base using bio-weapons while she was still a soldier.
Item-wise, we would aquire pirate items. Things like the Pirate Blaster could replace the Long Beam, a Pirate-Suit can open pirate-only areas...
On the story, the squad should be the same as in Other M, Ian included. In here, Samus secretly loves him, and has a great respect for Adam. In the begining, Samus is separated from her squad for the majority of the game. The rest plays like a typical metroid-game, but occasionally, you can hear your teammates in your radio-chatter.
A while before the endboss, Samus accidentately kills off Ian, and leaves her crying to his corpse.
During the final escape, Adam sacrifices his life for Samus (something like there's one escape pod left) and she flees from the exploding moon.
At the end, we can see Samus quitting the Federation, selling all the items she aquired during the adventure not only for extra-money for her bounty-hunter job, but also for the sake of the others (see Ian's accidental death at the hand of Samus herself, and can now be used as a decent excuse for "why Samus starts off with no items at the beginning of every game?").


You had me until the selling off the extra items.

If they want to show Adam and all her pre-bounty hunter stuff, make a prequel. Don't shoehorn all this origin stuff into an interquel.

They can even have Samus encounter Ridley for the very first time, and have a BRIEF BRIEF BRIEF moment of "stage fright", where she freezes and has to snap back to reality.

Have Ian die, and then Adam give his life to save her. Want inspiration? Here's a perfect scene to draw from.



Start from the 45 second mark.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Mayan Mystery » 07.18.12 5:40pm

HYRUL3 wrote:
AlphonseDaya wrote:For me, I thought it would be better if Other M was set as Samus' final mission in a moon that has been used as a Space Pirate base using bio-weapons while she was still a soldier.
Item-wise, we would aquire pirate items. Things like the Pirate Blaster could replace the Long Beam, a Pirate-Suit can open pirate-only areas...
On the story, the squad should be the same as in Other M, Ian included. In here, Samus secretly loves him, and has a great respect for Adam. In the begining, Samus is separated from her squad for the majority of the game. The rest plays like a typical metroid-game, but occasionally, you can hear your teammates in your radio-chatter.
A while before the endboss, Samus accidentately kills off Ian, and leaves her crying to his corpse.
During the final escape, Adam sacrifices his life for Samus (something like there's one escape pod left) and she flees from the exploding moon.
At the end, we can see Samus quitting the Federation, selling all the items she aquired during the adventure not only for extra-money for her bounty-hunter job, but also for the sake of the others (see Ian's accidental death at the hand of Samus herself, and can now be used as a decent excuse for "why Samus starts off with no items at the beginning of every game?").


You had me until the selling off the extra items.

If they want to show Adam and all her pre-bounty hunter stuff, make a prequel. Don't shoehorn all this origin stuff into an interquel.

They can even have Samus encounter Ridley for the very first time, and have a BRIEF BRIEF BRIEF moment of "stage fright", where she freezes and has to snap back to reality.

Have Ian die, and then Adam give his life to save her. Want inspiration? Here's a perfect scene to draw from.



Start from the 45 second mark.


Personally I like the notion that Adam was lying about him not being in charge and in reality preserved the Metroids on the Bottle ship to be used as bioweapons. It would be an absolutely amazing twist to a post-fusion world.

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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Daya » 07.21.12 6:57pm

Well I heard in the past that some people had no problems with Samus selling her items. Oh well. We have to come up with another explanation.
Destroying them would be stupid too.
And I don't think she would hand them to the federation.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby HYRUL3 » 07.21.12 8:27pm

Maybe she stockpiles it in a safe place? And only brings what she needs to; kind of like how after 9/11 airlines only put enough fuel in the plane to get to their scheduled destination, so the jet fuel couldn't be used like a bomb again... poor analogy but maybe she only brings what she needs so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands or something?
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Mayan Mystery » 07.22.12 12:25am

HYRUL3 wrote:Maybe she stockpiles it in a safe place? And only brings what she needs to; kind of like how after 9/11 airlines only put enough fuel in the plane to get to their scheduled destination, so the jet fuel couldn't be used like a bomb again... poor analogy but maybe she only brings what she needs so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands or something?


In all the prime games Samus loses most of her items at the end, like when she went back to the Varia suit at the end of prime 2 and 3 (gravity suit in prime 1.) I'm actually more confused about how much her ship changes for no apparent reason (zero mission and fusion give a reason so I'm excluding them,) But prime 2, 3 , and RoS, have such drastic changes and they give no explanation WHATSOEVER. IT'S REALLY ANNOYING!!!!!

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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby HYRUL3 » 07.22.12 1:13am

I think its safe to assume the payment she's received for her missions with the GF is more than enough to have several gunships to chose at will for each mission.

I mean, if I single handedly completed the events of Zero Mission, I'd expect a whole lot of fame and fortune.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby okey » 07.22.12 8:11am

HYRUL3 wrote:I think its safe to assume the payment she's received for her missions with the GF is more than enough to have several gunships to chose at will for each mission.

I mean, if I single handedly completed the events of Zero Mission, I'd expect a whole lot of fame and fortune.

Wasn't it Sakamoto who said that Samus doesn't actually get paid for her missions? And that Nintendo has this weird thing going on where you're not even allowed to make allusions to Samus getting a paycheck?

AlphonseDaya wrote:Well I heard in the past that some people had no problems with Samus selling her items. Oh well. We have to come up with another explanation. Destroying them would be stupid too. And I don't think she would hand them to the federation.

The last time they tried to come up with a story explanation for this we ended up with the authorization system. I'd rather they just ignore it for the sake of gameplay.

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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby Daya » 07.22.12 11:08am

okey wrote:Wasn't it Sakamoto who said that Samus doesn't actually get paid for her missions? And that Nintendo has this weird thing going on where you're not even allowed to make allusions to Samus getting a paycheck?


Because bounty hunters are baaaaaad people!

okey wrote:The last time they tried to come up with a story explanation for this we ended up with the authorization system. I'd rather they just ignore it for the sake of gameplay.


I'm okey with this. It's not such a big deal with megaman anyway.
Also, I thought of an interesting theory where in the game, she starts off every games with nothing, but in the actual story, she has all the items from the previous games. It would work like this:

Metroid Prime: All the items she had since the end of Zero Mission + Visor system + Spider Ball + Grapple Beam + Phazon Suit and Phazon Beam that she loses at the end of the Metroid-Prime fight
MP2: All the Chozo items she acumulated since Zero Mission + Seeker Missiles + Luminoth technology which she brought back to the Luminoth at the end of the game
MP3: All of her Chozo items she acumulated since the previous episodes are lost while operating Samus for giving her the PED Suit (except for the Missiles, Charge Beam, Morph Ball, Bombs, Grapple Beam, Spring Ball). She gains during the game Ice Missiles, Plasma Beam, Nova Beam, Spider Ball, Hazard Shield, X-Ray Visor, Seeker Missiles, Hyper-Grapple (or whatever grapple upgrade you gain after beating Grandadrya), Spider Ball.
RoS/AM2R: MP3 items + Zero Mission items (considering AM2R) + Spazer Beam
Super: Same items since RoS/AM2R
Fusion (No, OM is not in my canon) : Everything is lost, Samus regains every items with her new Fusion Suit.
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Re: The Ideal Other M *Spoilers*

Postby HYRUL3 » 07.22.12 11:12am

okey wrote:Wasn't it Sakamoto who said that Samus doesn't actually get paid for her missions? And that Nintendo has this weird thing going on where you're not even allowed to make allusions to Samus getting a paycheck?


I haven't heard this, but my response to it would be "Well, Sakamoto also came up with the following bullshit: authorization system, Ridley scene, Adam scene, and Samus infiltrating a ship set to explode just to grab a helmet out of some ridiculous sense of sentimentality and nostalgia, so in my canon, Samus doesn't do this for charity.

That would be ridiculous. What's the point of being a "freelance bounty hunter" as he had her repeatedly say, if you don't get paid? "Freelance" means you pick your clients and charge your own fees. No one manages you.

But you still get paid.

And Alphonse, interesting theory. And Other M isn't in my canon either :thumbsup:
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