Adam: bad character or not?

by **Daya** » 08.04.12 6:55pm

He has a shitty aim for that PERFECT MILITARY MIND.

by **HYRUL3** » 08.04.12 7:37pm

AlphonseDaya wrote:He has a shitty aim for that PERFECT MILITARY MIND.

So true, gentlemen.

by **Mayan Mystery** » 08.04.12 10:21pm

Adam should be a boss battle in a subsequent metroid game. That would be fun. After all, he practically is one to begin with.

by **HYRUL3** » 08.04.12 10:46pm

Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist.

I hope he stays dead and AI Adam proves to be a true hero.

by **Zynux** » 08.04.12 11:00pm

Mayan Mystery wrote:Adam should be a boss battle in a subsequent metroid game. That would be fun. After all, he practically is one to begin with.

Considering how un-helpful he was in any situation, him being a boss to Samus isn't too far off. Hell, most bosses were more helpful the Adam. Atleast they dropped an item after you beat them. Adam purposely withheld items from Samus for no good reason.

HYRUL3 wrote:Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist.

I think he was more referring to how troublesome Adam actually was to Samus in the story.

by **Mayan Mystery** » 08.04.12 11:09pm

HYRUL3 wrote:Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist.

I hope he stays dead and AI Adam proves to be a true hero.

I'm not saying that he's definitely evil, but the Adam from fusion and the Adam from Other m have COMPLETELY different personalities, and the only logical thing at this point to assume is that Adam didn't actually die. Maybe he's not evil, but his death sequence opened more questions than it answered. If you can convince me that the other m Adam is the hero and genius that he is portrayed as in fusion, I'm open to suggestion.

by **Aiddon** » 08.05.12 12:41pm

HYRUL3 wrote:
Wow. Rude. Want to provide some constructive feedback, maybe tell me how its not better than the trainwreck of Other M instead of just being a douche?

....You demand constructive criticism and then use two terms (trainwreck and douche) whose usage is hyperbolic and nonconstructive? I think I can rest my case with ease here.

by **Daya** » 08.05.12 2:22pm

But I still want to know why his idea is bad.

by **HYRUL3** » 08.05.12 3:16pm

Aiddon wrote:
HYRUL3 wrote:
Wow. Rude. Want to provide some constructive feedback, maybe tell me how its not better than the trainwreck of Other M instead of just being a douche?

....You demand constructive criticism and then use two terms (trainwreck and douche) whose usage is hyperbolic and nonconstructive? I think I can rest my case with ease here.

Well, you kind of were. I offered an alternative solution and without explaining why its a bad idea you simply said "No, its a bad idea" and moved on. You weren't polite about it either. Just bluntly "your idea sucks". Well why does it suck?

And yes, saying it the way you set it was pretty douchey. By me using those words, it doesn't explain at all why my idea is bad. They're unrelated.

by **okey** » 09.28.12 8:00am

How would you feel if Adam were quietly retconned out of existence?

Like if nobody ever referred to him in Metroid 5, and :ai:

was just an AI that decided to turn helpful.

He doesn't really add anything to the series. At best he would be the generic positive reinforcement character.

by **HYRUL3** » 09.28.12 1:21pm

I wouldn't like it. In Fusion, I wanted to find out who Adam was. I was looking forward to seeing him become an ally/useful tool in Metroid 5.

We wouldn't be in this situation where you're asking the question if Other M hadn't colossally fucked up Adam's "Hero Time". They just need to re-do his story.

by **Daya** » 09.28.12 5:56pm

If Other M need to be rewritten, I want to see Adam blasting stuff with a Rocket Launcher.
That way I at least would care about him. That and behaving like a captain. And showing some affection towards Samus. Because what he does in Other M isn't what a general is supposed to do. He's not on the terraint. Since he's on the terraint, he should be a captain.

Captain Adam Malkovich. Now that sounds good. :adam:

by **HYRUL3** » 09.28.12 9:58pm

Or, you know, maybe seeing him do stuff besides sit behind a computer and "order others to die".

by **Chozo Guardian** » 10.03.12 7:34am

Personally I love Adam. He is the embodiment of the perfect hero. His actions made me cry throughout Other M. He was everything I imagined him to be. The true definition of valor. It's him and his actions in Other M that is one of those gaming moments that's a powerful reminder for me.

All gave some, some gave all

Some pulled through for the red-white-and-blue, some had to fall

And if you ever think of :adam:

, think of all your liberty and recall

Some gave all.

by **HYRUL3** » 10.03.12 9:29am

I'm sorry, I respect people's opinions, but his actions made you cry?

He sat behind a computer ordering people to their deaths.

He was a dick to Samus. Hell, he shot her in the back.

He's not the embodiment of heroism. Not even close. He was an emotionless drone.

Daya Posts: 341 Joined: 09.15.10 9:30am Location: France	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Daya » 08.04.12 6:55pm He has a shitty aim for that PERFECT MILITARY MIND.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by HYRUL3 » 08.04.12 7:37pm AlphonseDaya wrote:He has a shitty aim for that PERFECT MILITARY MIND. So true, gentlemen. "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."
Mayan Mystery Posts: 149 Joined: 07.07.12 12:59pm	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Mayan Mystery » 08.04.12 10:21pm Adam should be a boss battle in a subsequent metroid game. That would be fun. After all, he practically is one to begin with.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by HYRUL3 » 08.04.12 10:46pm Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist. I hope he stays dead and AI Adam proves to be a true hero. "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."
Zynux Posts: 593 Joined: 12.13.11 8:56pm Location: West Chester, PA	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Zynux » 08.04.12 11:00pm Mayan Mystery wrote:Adam should be a boss battle in a subsequent metroid game. That would be fun. After all, he practically is one to begin with. Considering how un-helpful he was in any situation, him being a boss to Samus isn't too far off. Hell, most bosses were more helpful the Adam. Atleast they dropped an item after you beat them. Adam purposely withheld items from Samus for no good reason. HYRUL3 wrote:Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist. I think he was more referring to how troublesome Adam actually was to Samus in the story. "Cut! There are no second chances for actors that fall to the abyss. Await your second casting in the darkness forever." - The Night of Wallachia
Mayan Mystery Posts: 149 Joined: 07.07.12 12:59pm	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Mayan Mystery » 08.04.12 11:09pm HYRUL3 wrote:Oh no... Not another evil Adam conspiracist. I hope he stays dead and AI Adam proves to be a true hero. I'm not saying that he's definitely evil, but the Adam from fusion and the Adam from Other m have COMPLETELY different personalities, and the only logical thing at this point to assume is that Adam didn't actually die. Maybe he's not evil, but his death sequence opened more questions than it answered. If you can convince me that the other m Adam is the hero and genius that he is portrayed as in fusion, I'm open to suggestion.
Aiddon Posts: 63 Joined: 05.20.12 1:07am	Re: Was Adam a good character or a bad character? by Aiddon » 08.05.12 12:41pm HYRUL3 wrote: Wow. Rude. Want to provide some constructive feedback, maybe tell me how its not better than the trainwreck of Other M instead of just being a douche? ....You demand constructive criticism and then use two terms (trainwreck and douche) whose usage is hyperbolic and nonconstructive? I think I can rest my case with ease here.
Daya Posts: 341 Joined: 09.15.10 9:30am Location: France	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Daya » 08.05.12 2:22pm But I still want to know why his idea is bad.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Was Adam a good character or a bad character? by HYRUL3 » 08.05.12 3:16pm Aiddon wrote: HYRUL3 wrote: Wow. Rude. Want to provide some constructive feedback, maybe tell me how its not better than the trainwreck of Other M instead of just being a douche? ....You demand constructive criticism and then use two terms (trainwreck and douche) whose usage is hyperbolic and nonconstructive? I think I can rest my case with ease here. Well, you kind of were. I offered an alternative solution and without explaining why its a bad idea you simply said "No, its a bad idea" and moved on. You weren't polite about it either. Just bluntly "your idea sucks". Well why does it suck? And yes, saying it the way you set it was pretty douchey. By me using those words, it doesn't explain at all why my idea is bad. They're unrelated. "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."
okey Posts: 794 Joined: 06.29.11 1:37pm Location: Philadelphia, PA	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by okey » 09.28.12 8:00am How would you feel if Adam were quietly retconned out of existence? Like if nobody ever referred to him in Metroid 5, and was just an AI that decided to turn helpful. He doesn't really add anything to the series. At best he would be the generic positive reinforcement character.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by HYRUL3 » 09.28.12 1:21pm I wouldn't like it. In Fusion, I wanted to find out who Adam was. I was looking forward to seeing him become an ally/useful tool in Metroid 5. We wouldn't be in this situation where you're asking the question if Other M hadn't colossally fucked up Adam's "Hero Time". They just need to re-do his story. "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."
Daya Posts: 341 Joined: 09.15.10 9:30am Location: France	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Daya » 09.28.12 5:56pm If Other M need to be rewritten, I want to see Adam blasting stuff with a Rocket Launcher. That way I at least would care about him. That and behaving like a captain. And showing some affection towards Samus. Because what he does in Other M isn't what a general is supposed to do. He's not on the terraint. Since he's on the terraint, he should be a captain. Captain Adam Malkovich. Now that sounds good.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by HYRUL3 » 09.28.12 9:58pm Or, you know, maybe seeing him do stuff besides sit behind a computer and "order others to die". "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."
Chozo Guardian Posts: 366 Joined: 04.18.11 4:44pm Location: Tallon IV	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by Chozo Guardian » 10.03.12 7:34am Personally I love Adam. He is the embodiment of the perfect hero. His actions made me cry throughout Other M. He was everything I imagined him to be. The true definition of valor. It's him and his actions in Other M that is one of those gaming moments that's a powerful reminder for me. All gave some, some gave all Some pulled through for the red-white-and-blue, some had to fall And if you ever think of , think of all your liberty and recall Some gave all. Last edited by Chozo Guardian on 10.04.12 6:02am, edited 1 time in total.
HYRUL3 Posts: 4535 Joined: 10.24.10 11:39pm Location: New England	Re: Adam: bad character or not? by HYRUL3 » 10.03.12 9:29am I'm sorry, I respect people's opinions, but his actions made you cry? He sat behind a computer ordering people to their deaths. He was a dick to Samus. Hell, he shot her in the back. He's not the embodiment of heroism. Not even close. He was an emotionless drone. "I am tired of being under the weight of greedy men who don't believe in anything."

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