The Nullify Power Suit Gun (how do you explain that one?)

[Dryn]

If someone was talking to you after being passed out from being shot and that someone was the only person you could see, would you ask 'who shot me?' or 'why did you shoot me?'

I would have probably asked the former. If I did ask the latter, I would not be certain, and most likely would have asked, "Did you shoot me?"

If it wasn't that obvious the only other answer I could possibly give is that Adam shot her in the back before.

Who knows?

For once, I think that Broly had the best theory about the topic at hand. As we saw in the cutscene, the hatchling reminded her of the hatchling from M2, and her emotions got pretty unstable, so she lost some of her suit's control.

I thought that's what was intended by Mr. Sakamoto. I guess some people played MOM and didn't think about why the Power Suit ceased its functionality. Like I said before, seeing as how the return of Ridley caused Samus to lose control of the Power Suit, the same thing happened with the infant Metroid because she thought all the Metroids were extinct. Remember when she found the dead Gigafraug, and the way it died appeared was that of "Metroid predation"? Samus said that her mind was racing. So, yeah, if that made her mind race, seeing the Metroid gave her another, "It can't be!" moment.

[Trishbot]

Can I just blame more of Sakamoto's bad writing for this?

I hate the idea of a "will-powered" armor suit to begin with. What sort of race even creates a weapon that is dependent on fluctuating emotions and shuts down if the wearer gets UPSET? That's the most impractical battle suit ever, and I still wonder why Sakamoto ever decided to change it from practical, advanced alien armor into some mystical bio suit that only works if Samus concentrates really hard.

Secondly, even IF that was the case, I don't like Samus ever, ever losing that concentration. The Chozo taught Samus her entire life from the day they found her to be emotionally calm, collected, and in control (so, basically, everything Other M Samus wasn't). In all other representations, she is calm and cool and her armor never falls away mid-combat or from emotional shock just to shows us her zero-suit wedgies. Never did it ever happen before, except if she died in Zero Mission (and I just assumed that was because her power suit couldn't sustain anymore physical, not emotional, damage). Why didn't Samus strip down to her skivies in Super Metroid while fighting Mother Brain? Or freak out and show her shapely bod in the Prime games when Ridley appeared?

And, yeah, it was just a friggin' ice gun, a shot Samus didn't even see coming or from who fired it until after it was fired, yet it somehow did more damage to her than anything that has EVER happened to her in the series, even against Ridley, Mother Brain, Dark Samus, and Kraid, leaving her like a gasping, pathetic fish flopping around on the floor as helpless as a limbless baby in front of hungry wolves.

I don't buy it. It's just another little detail of a poorly told story and portrayal of Samus that has me dismissing Other M as some bizarre alternate universe where Samus's intelligence has dropped by half, gender equality is 500 years behind the times, and magic emotion weapons (and likely Japanese pop-songs) are the weapons of choice against armies of evil aliens.

[FacelessGriffin]

Can I just blame more of Sakamoto's bad writing for this?

No, because I'm pretty sure you've already stated this a few pages ago and several other threads.

SNIDE REMARKS X BATTLE GO

I hate the idea of a "will-powered" armor suit to begin with. What sort of race even creates a weapon that is dependent on fluctuating emotions and shuts down if the wearer gets UPSET? That's the most impractical battle suit ever, and I still wonder why Sakamoto ever decided to change it from practical, advanced alien armor into some mystical bio suit that only works if Samus concentrates really hard.

Because Tokusatsus are awesome.

Like Kamen Rider Black RX.


... Well okay, that clip is actually from Kamen Rider Decade which about twenty years older than RX and only had RX as a cameo, but still it is a freakin' sweet cameo.

[Not Authorised]

SNIDE REMARKS X BATTLE GO

Oh yeah, well... I- Erm...

Dammit, now I'm the predictable one. You win this round, FacelessGriffin!



Anyway, the one thing consistent about Samus's suit malfunctions is that it breaks off when she drops to zero health. So a wimpy ice ray gun could definitely reduce Samus to a gasping, pathetic fish flopping around on the floor as helpless as a limbless baby in front of hungry wolves...if she were at critical health. So if there were a boss fight with an unavoidable final attack that dropped Samus to almost zero right before the sector zero scene, then it'd make fine sense. Nobody accused Samus of being wimpy when she got her ass kicked by Mother Brain and the Omega Metroid - it just made those bossess look more menacing.

[KingBroly]

The problem with that argument: There's a save room after fighting Nightmare. There's one before it too. So, that can't really be the case. Unless those hurdles really took it out of her.

Trishbot, again, I will reiterate time and again that the Chozo aren't mentioned or alluded to in Other M. So either Sakamoto has removed them from canon because he's a total dick, an idiot that didn't realize 'hey, this contradicts stuff I approved in the past,' or she doesn't remember them. The only semblance of Samus remembering that she was raised by the Chozo was in Zero Mission, but EVEN THAT is ambiguous enough to where you can interpret it in many different ways. I know people have said he was leading to Other M through Fusion and Zero Mission, but I disagree. I think Fusion, Zero Mission and Other M are leading to Dread. Metroid Dread needs to be about one thing, and that's Revelation. Revelation of whose behind the Small, Corrupt Group. Revelation of Samus' past. Revelation about what's really going on in Other M. For better or worse, it has to go down that way.

You can say a few things about Samus losing her suit there: Mental Fragility + Possible Second Imprint + Betrayal = Instability, causing it. Samus' exhaust pipes were frozen over, which caused a suit "meltdown" of sorts, etc. Pretty much like everything that goes in Other M. There's no singular answer as of yet. And to be honest, I don't know if it's that important. And yes, the suit has always been the "Magical Suit." However, if I had to guess, it's going to be why we don't see the Fusion Suit in Dread, because the "Magical Suit" will retcon it. And to be honest, I can realistically explain everything going on Other M from the script to the gameplay mechanics and scripting with the exception of the pixel hunt segments. Although I can explain the last one.

[Not Authorised]

The problem with that argument: There's a save room after fighting Nightmare. There's one before it too. So, that can't really be the case. Unless those hurdles really took it out of her.

Ya gotta pay more attention to the "if" word. IF there were a boss right before the big scene and IF Samus got her ass handed to her, then it'd make sense. But since that is not the case, it does not make sense. Obviously, IF my idea were used there wouldn't be a save room after the boss and the door back to the previous save room would be locked. And I'd probably make it a point that the boss's final attack had temporarily disrupted the auto-repair function use with Concentration.

[Twilight-kun]

The problem with that argument: There's a save room after fighting Nightmare. There's one before it too. So, that can't really be the case. Unless those hurdles really took it out of her.

Ya gotta pay more attention to the "if" word. IF there were a boss right before the big scene and IF Samus got her ass handed to her, then it'd make sense. But since that is not the case, it does not make sense. Obviously, IF my idea were used there wouldn't be a save room after the boss and the door back to the previous save room would be locked. And I'd probably make it a point that the boss's final attack had temporarily disrupted the auto-repair function use with Concentration.

Metroid in and of itself confuses me with save rooms...to players, that's how we "start Over" if we kill Samus

the webcomic "Zebeth" made Save Points "remake" the character, but they have no memories after that save...so they have no idea if they're going to die or not

my own theory about save rooms is that it copies the DNA of a character and then "regenerates" or makes a new copy/clone of Samus

so...yea, that's just my take on it


and I think we should be able to play even after our health falls to zero, but we can only play as Zero Suit Samus, with 99 "armor" and the paralyzer

and if you fall to zero during a boss fight, a hatch opens somewhere that leads to a room where you can safely use "Concentrate" to restore SOME power suit functionality

then you can go back and kick the bosses ass or get yours handed to you again

and the number of times you can "restart" your power suit would depend on how many energy tanks you have +1 (so you can restart if you 'die' when you have zero tanks)
1 tank-2 restarts
2 tanks-3 restarts, etc

[Chris]

Save rooms are just that, save rooms, a gameplay mechanic nothing more and fall into the category of game logic as does the gun used to stun Samus. I'm surprised this thread has lasted so long.

[kronoridley]

What sort of race even creates a weapon that is dependent on fluctuating emotions and shuts down if the wearer gets UPSET? That's the most impractical battle suit ever.

Considering how emotionally stable Samus is in the other games, it about impracticable as a flying aircraft carrier that can travel at the speed of light.

[Dryn]

Can I just blame more of Sakamoto's bad writing for this?

You can, but that doesn't change anything.

I hate the idea of a "will-powered" armor suit to begin with. What sort of race even creates a weapon that is dependent on fluctuating emotions and shuts down if the wearer gets UPSET?

Possibly the Guardians of Oa. If you don't know who those are, Green Lantern series. Then there is Marvel, which has Kallark, who is supposed to be like Superman. Guess what? His powers increase or decrease depending on his confidence.

On a side note, I don't know why people think something like this is "mystical" or whatever. Tony Stark must activate his Iron Man armor some way, like, I don't know, thinking? It is connected to him, after all. It's not "mystical," just integrated.

The Chozo taught Samus her entire life from the day they found her to be emotionally calm, collected, and in control (so, basically, everything Other M Samus wasn't).

Haha! That's funny. I wonder where we can find that in any official source? Or is this fan-wank?

In all other representations, she is calm and cool and her armor never falls away mid-combat or from emotional shock just to shows us her zero-suit wedgies.

That's because she didn't have much of a personality to begin with. And, of course, you are trying to place what possibly started around 2002 - 2003, which didn't have much influence (I can't find the right word) in the Western area, into previous titles. After all, the Metroid manga was never released outside of Japan. Fans simply went and translated the manga for themselves.

Never did it ever happen before, except if she died in Zero Mission (and I just assumed that was because her power suit couldn't sustain anymore physical, not emotional, damage). Why didn't Samus strip down to her skivies in Super Metroid while fighting Mother Brain? Or freak out and show her shapely bod in the Prime games when Ridley appeared?

Read above. I am going to be blunt with you. You whine too much. I can't even go on reading what you write without having to want to punch something. That may explain why I try and avoid you when I see your name.

Save rooms are just that, save rooms, a gameplay mechanic nothing more and fall into the category of game logic as does the gun used to stun Samus. I'm surprised this thread has lasted so long.

Cut-scenes, by definition, don't use game mechanics. A game mechanic is, you know, a part of gameplay. Call it bad writing, call it something. Don't call it a game mechanic.

[kronoridley]

I am going to be blunt with you. You whine too much. I can't even go on reading what you write without having to want to punch something. That may explain why I try and avoid you when I see your name.

I literally have nothing to say. (Other than "You got guts")

[Chris]

Save rooms are just that, save rooms, a gameplay mechanic nothing more and fall into the category of game logic as does the gun used to stun Samus. I'm surprised this thread has lasted so long.

Cut-scenes, by definition, don't use game mechanics. A game mechanic is, you know, a part of gameplay. Call it bad writing, call it something. Don't call it a game mechanic.

Now your putting words in my mouth, I only said that save rooms are a game mechanic, I said the gun in my opinion falls into the 'game logic' category in the same way a save room can magically restore your health and ammo and resurrect you from the dead. If we are going to spend 3 pages coming up with all kinds of theories for a gun that stuns Samus with one shot we might as well open topics up for how save rooms work, where does Samus store missiles, how does the morph ball work etc etc.

Some things in the games are worth talking about and theorising but for me this gun isn't one of them.

[Twilight-kun]

how does the morph ball work.

Samus turns into energy and her shoulder pads somehow envelop her in a hard shell

I'm trying to figure out how bombs and the Boost ball work

[FacelessGriffin]

Trishbot, again, I will reiterate time and again that the Chozo aren't mentioned or alluded to in Other M. So either Sakamoto has removed them from canon because he's a total dick, an idiot that didn't realize 'hey, this contradicts stuff I approved in the past,' or she doesn't remember them.

Or he just simply didn't think it was necesarry or didn't know how to intergrade them into the narrative.

Oh wait, sorry, that sounds too plausible.

[Dryn]

Now your putting words in my mouth, I only said that save rooms are a game mechanic

My bad. I misread.