Overcompensation

by **okey** » 02.02.13 11:56am

Remember when MGS2 came out and everyone hated Raiden?

And then MGS4 tried to fix him, but they went way overboard and turned him into a break dancing katana wielding cyborg?

Or how everyone hated how Spencer looked in the grim and gritty Bionic Commando reboot, so the next game went with an overly silly design?

Sometimes game developers just overcompensate. You can even argue that Nintendo did it with Link.

So...What if the same thing happened to Samus? What would it look like?

by **Apothem** » 02.02.13 2:20pm

Like this:

by **okey** » 02.02.13 3:18pm

You're misunderstanding me. What would overcompensation for Other M look like?

by **Zynux** » 02.02.13 11:09pm

One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying.

by **Emperor Ing** » 02.03.13 1:08am

That's assuming they find even worse writers* than Other M's. Which I would argue is a herculean task.

To answer okey: Metroid Prime 4

Also, Apothem, please URL that image, because it is wasting a lot of space.

*the one occupation that the series does not need.

by **Apothem** » 02.03.13 1:36am

okey wrote:You're misunderstanding me. What would overcompensation for Other M look like?

What did I misunderstand? You explicitly inquired how Nintendo might overcompensate with Samus. You never stipulated a specific fashion of overcompensation. Your given examples were also largely aesthetic in nature. As such, here I presented a visual example of Nintendo, Team Ninja, whoever, visually overcompensating for Samus' perceived lack of sexy. You CAN NOT look at that image without noticing her improved "assets." Maybe that's just the ridiculous suit redesign. There's absolutely no excusing those heals, though.

As far as her personality's concerned, she'd first have to have one to overcompensate for. Technically, at this point, ANY personality would be overcompensation.

by **kadosho** » 02.03.13 11:23am

I never quite understood the redesign with the Zero Suit. I love mystery more. But I think with ZM they were trying to be daring, and push designs to its limits.

by **Emperor Ing** » 02.03.13 1:15pm

I think they just wanted Samus in a latex suit. The whole "I'm really going to enjoy drawing this" etc.

by **Remnants** » 02.03.13 1:16pm

Why not top it off with an eye patch while we're at it?

by **Doc Scratch** » 02.03.13 9:29pm

Samus with an eye-patch would have improved Other M an immense amount.

by **Caleb89sw** » 02.03.13 11:24pm

Zynux wrote:One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying.

I agree with this. If Nintendo went overboard pulling a 180 after "Other M", this is probably what would happen. Other than "talking alot and being really annoying", I would think it would also make her more unlikeable. It's too cliche and out of place.

by **Apothem** » 02.03.13 11:36pm

For the record, I like the zero suit, just check my avatar. What I hate is the M:OM redesign. And those FUCKING heels.

by **okey** » 02.04.13 11:10am

Caleb89sw wrote:
Zynux wrote:One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying.

I agree with this. If Nintendo went overboard pulling a 180 after "Other M", this is probably what would happen. Other than "talking alot and being really annoying", I would think it would also make her more unlikeable. It's too cliche and out of place.

Samus being turned into a poor man's Nathan Drake (or worse, a poor man's Bayonetta) seems pretty realistic

Some other possibilities:

1) Samus goes back to being a silent protagonist, but she now has an NPC sidekick that's amazed by everything she does.
2) The tone of the series is changed drastically. Future games are either cartoony and wacky, or gritty and 'westernized'.
3) The next game goes out of its way to explain or retcon everything about Other M. (Clones! Mind control! Other M was a dream! Other M was a movie made by the evil feds meant to discredit Samus after the events of Fusion!)

Apothem wrote:For the record, I like the zero suit, just check my avatar. What I hate is the M:OM redesign. And those FUCKING heels.

It would probably be for the best if they ditched it altogether.

by **Apothem** » 02.04.13 6:08pm

I could see the "Dark & Gritty" reboot treatment happening, and I'd likely shoot myself if it did. That sort of thing NEVER works out well, especially when a Japanese developer helms the project. It'd ruin the franchise entirely, likely reducing it to just another shooter. Makes my stomach churn just thinking about it.

Good thing Nintendo doesn't think that way.

I hope.

by **Caleb89sw** » 02.04.13 6:25pm

Apothem wrote:I could see the "Dark & Gritty" reboot treatment happening, and I'd likely shoot myself if it did. That sort of thing NEVER works out well, especially when a Japanese developer helms the project. It'd ruin the franchise entirely, likely reducing it to just another shooter. Makes my stomach churn just thinking about it.

Good thing Nintendo doesn't think that way.

I hope.

I don't think that'll happen. Nintendo puts too much substance in their series for them to let that happen. The only example that Nintendo overcompensated one of their series was Legend of Zelda by the OP.

BTW, okey, I was just wondering. What did you mean when you said "You can even argue that Nintendo did it with Link." Are you referring to Twilight Princess after Wind Waker?

okey Posts: 829 Joined: 06.29.11 1:37pm Location: Philadelphia, PA	Overcompensation by okey » 02.02.13 11:56am Remember when MGS2 came out and everyone hated Raiden? And then MGS4 tried to fix him, but they went way overboard and turned him into a break dancing katana wielding cyborg? Or how everyone hated how Spencer looked in the grim and gritty Bionic Commando reboot, so the next game went with an overly silly design? Sometimes game developers just overcompensate. You can even argue that Nintendo did it with Link. So...What if the same thing happened to Samus? What would it look like?
Apothem Posts: 1065 Joined: 06.17.08 10:08pm Location: The House of Next Tuesday	Re: Overcompensation by Apothem » 02.02.13 2:20pm Like this: Last edited by Apothem on 02.03.13 1:28am, edited 1 time in total. The last metroid is in captivity. All's well in the galaxy.
okey Posts: 829 Joined: 06.29.11 1:37pm Location: Philadelphia, PA	Re: Overcompensation by okey » 02.02.13 3:18pm You're misunderstanding me. What would overcompensation for Other M look like?
Zynux Posts: 621 Joined: 12.13.11 8:56pm Location: West Chester, PA	Re: Overcompensation by Zynux » 02.02.13 11:09pm One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying. "Cut! There are no second chances for actors that fall to the abyss. Await your second casting in the darkness forever." - The Night of Wallachia
Emperor Ing Posts: 4969 Joined: 12.27.07 1:22pm Location: ENGAGING RIDLEY MOTHER FUCKER	Re: Overcompensation by Emperor Ing » 02.03.13 1:08am That's assuming they find even worse writers* than Other M's. Which I would argue is a herculean task. To answer okey: Metroid Prime 4 Also, Apothem, please URL that image, because it is wasting a lot of space. *the one occupation that the series does not need. Hiroshi Mishima wrote:must be some sorta side effect of the hatchling or maybe she should stop going down on Miyamoto.
Apothem Posts: 1065 Joined: 06.17.08 10:08pm Location: The House of Next Tuesday	Re: Overcompensation by Apothem » 02.03.13 1:36am okey wrote:You're misunderstanding me. What would overcompensation for Other M look like? What did I misunderstand? You explicitly inquired how Nintendo might overcompensate with Samus. You never stipulated a specific fashion of overcompensation. Your given examples were also largely aesthetic in nature. As such, here I presented a visual example of Nintendo, Team Ninja, whoever, visually overcompensating for Samus' perceived lack of sexy. You CAN NOT look at that image without noticing her improved "assets." Maybe that's just the ridiculous suit redesign. There's absolutely no excusing those heals, though. As far as her personality's concerned, she'd first have to have one to overcompensate for. Technically, at this point, ANY personality would be overcompensation. The last metroid is in captivity. All's well in the galaxy.
kadosho Posts: 110 Joined: 10.27.09 5:39am Location: Marana, AZ	Re: Overcompensation by kadosho » 02.03.13 11:23am I never quite understood the redesign with the Zero Suit. I love mystery more. But I think with ZM they were trying to be daring, and push designs to its limits.
Emperor Ing Posts: 4969 Joined: 12.27.07 1:22pm Location: ENGAGING RIDLEY MOTHER FUCKER	Re: Overcompensation by Emperor Ing » 02.03.13 1:15pm I think they just wanted Samus in a latex suit. The whole "I'm really going to enjoy drawing this" etc. Hiroshi Mishima wrote:must be some sorta side effect of the hatchling or maybe she should stop going down on Miyamoto.
Remnants Posts: 569 Joined: 05.01.11 9:08pm	Re: Overcompensation by Remnants » 02.03.13 1:16pm Why not top it off with an eye patch while we're at it? In times of crisis, weakness cannot survive. But be very careful how you define strength. "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security is a superstition. It does not exist in nature" - Hellen Keller
Doc Scratch Posts: 574 Joined: 09.15.10 2:02am Location: Dead.	Re: Overcompensation by Doc Scratch » 02.03.13 9:29pm Samus with an eye-patch would have improved Other M an immense amount. Suckers.
Caleb89sw Posts: 70 Joined: 09.07.10 10:42am	Re: Overcompensation by Caleb89sw » 02.03.13 11:24pm Zynux wrote:One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying. I agree with this. If Nintendo went overboard pulling a 180 after "Other M", this is probably what would happen. Other than "talking alot and being really annoying", I would think it would also make her more unlikeable. It's too cliche and out of place.
Apothem Posts: 1065 Joined: 06.17.08 10:08pm Location: The House of Next Tuesday	Re: Overcompensation by Apothem » 02.03.13 11:36pm For the record, I like the zero suit, just check my avatar. What I hate is the M:OM redesign. And those FUCKING heels. The last metroid is in captivity. All's well in the galaxy.
okey Posts: 829 Joined: 06.29.11 1:37pm Location: Philadelphia, PA	Re: Overcompensation by okey » 02.04.13 11:10am Caleb89sw wrote: Zynux wrote:One possibility is that she may become completely narcissistic and wise-cracking in an attempt to make her 'tougher' and 'badass' again. Because of this, she will probably talk alot and be really annoying. I agree with this. If Nintendo went overboard pulling a 180 after "Other M", this is probably what would happen. Other than "talking alot and being really annoying", I would think it would also make her more unlikeable. It's too cliche and out of place. Samus being turned into a poor man's Nathan Drake (or worse, a poor man's Bayonetta) seems pretty realistic Some other possibilities: 1) Samus goes back to being a silent protagonist, but she now has an NPC sidekick that's amazed by everything she does. 2) The tone of the series is changed drastically. Future games are either cartoony and wacky, or gritty and 'westernized'. 3) The next game goes out of its way to explain or retcon everything about Other M. (Clones! Mind control! Other M was a dream! Other M was a movie made by the evil feds meant to discredit Samus after the events of Fusion!) Apothem wrote:For the record, I like the zero suit, just check my avatar. What I hate is the M:OM redesign. And those FUCKING heels. It would probably be for the best if they ditched it altogether.
Apothem Posts: 1065 Joined: 06.17.08 10:08pm Location: The House of Next Tuesday	Re: Overcompensation by Apothem » 02.04.13 6:08pm I could see the "Dark & Gritty" reboot treatment happening, and I'd likely shoot myself if it did. That sort of thing NEVER works out well, especially when a Japanese developer helms the project. It'd ruin the franchise entirely, likely reducing it to just another shooter. Makes my stomach churn just thinking about it. Good thing Nintendo doesn't think that way. I hope. The last metroid is in captivity. All's well in the galaxy.
Caleb89sw Posts: 70 Joined: 09.07.10 10:42am	Re: Overcompensation by Caleb89sw » 02.04.13 6:25pm Apothem wrote:I could see the "Dark & Gritty" reboot treatment happening, and I'd likely shoot myself if it did. That sort of thing NEVER works out well, especially when a Japanese developer helms the project. It'd ruin the franchise entirely, likely reducing it to just another shooter. Makes my stomach churn just thinking about it. Good thing Nintendo doesn't think that way. I hope. I don't think that'll happen. Nintendo puts too much substance in their series for them to let that happen. The only example that Nintendo overcompensated one of their series was Legend of Zelda by the OP. BTW, okey, I was just wondering. What did you mean when you said "You can even argue that Nintendo did it with Link." Are you referring to Twilight Princess after Wind Waker?

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