TheGamingBrit's videos

[Aiddon]

You really didnt find anything positive or interesting to learn from both videos? Oh well.

I just find them pointless due to redundancy; there's really that anyone can say that hasn't been said before so it smacks of running around in circles because somebody got bored.

[Dryn]

You can't really fault the game for ignoring the Primes. Those were made by a completely different team, and never once did Sakamoto said they were really part of the series' canon. Sure they fit in there without really ruining anything, but no non-Prime game mentioned Prime events and it might be better to stay that way.

And following that logic, Samus had only defeated Ridley twice before. She didn't get around to really killing him in Metroid, and he was back for more in Super, when he died. The Ridleys in Other M and Fusion are, quite clearly, clones created by the Federation, so no, he didn't resurrect. If Samus knew she hadn't killed him the first time, which I think she did, she wouldn't be very surprised when she fought him again in Ceres. Now, seeing him after completely killing him was indeed a shock.

I did hear about Sakamoto being asked if MPT was canon, but he gave this vague answer, which made it seem as if he was saying MPT was non-canon. People commented about this, saying that Sakamoto was envious about MPT being critically acclaimed, whereas MOM flopped.

An explanation about Samus not being very surprised (or surprised at all) is simply an interpretation to connect what had originally been a non-existent PTSD. Either Sakamoto didn't have the technology to display Samus' "surprise", or it was something he thought about some time later and implemented it in MOM. Either way, the PTSD concept was foreign.

[rondus18]

I can't help but feel an important part of TGB's video has been forgotten here. Remember the part where he said people haven't been playing Super Metroid for the past 10 years they've been playing the MPT. If, in order to properly understand the Ridley scene, we need to know that a near decade's worth of games don't count and that's never communicated to the player, then it's still terrible writing and a bad scene and absolutely something we should fault Other M for. It's made worse by the fact that Nintendo and Sakamoto are vaguely and quietly removing the games from canon rather than coming out and saying it in no uncertain terms. If the logic of this scene Sakamoto wrote hinges quite a bit on whether MPT is canon and Sakamoto won't give a straightforward answer then his writing doesn't deserve to have excuses made for it.

[Emperor Ing]

What you guys don't realize that the entire Prime series was symbolically about the black man's struggles (the honkeys tried to push phazon down on the brothers to control them but the brothers fought the power), and the inclusion of Anthony Higgs was Sakamoto's way of implicitly alluding to the entire trilogy.

It's masterful. Who tries to put Samus down? Honkeys. Who overcomes in the end? The brother.

[Naner]

Sometimes, you're simply a genius, Ing.

I did hear about Sakamoto being asked if MPT was canon, but he gave this vague answer, which made it seem as if he was saying MPT was non-canon. People commented about this, saying that Sakamoto was envious about MPT being critically acclaimed, whereas MOM flopped.

That's really silly. I'm quite sure he already gave those vague answers before Other M came out.

[okey]

You can't really fault the game for ignoring the Primes.

Yeah you can. See:

people haven't been playing Super Metroid for the past 10 years they've been playing the MPT.

Prime brought the series back from the dead. Dismissing it comes across as really petty.

[Infinity's End]

You can't really fault the game for ignoring the Primes.

Yeah you can. See:

people haven't been playing Super Metroid for the past 10 years they've been playing the MPT.

Prime brought the series back from the dead. Dismissing it comes across as really petty.

I'm not quite as butthurt as others about MOM ignoring the Primes, and i pretty much expected it. But the game has no connection to Prime in the story-sense at all, so mentioning it would have had no effect on the game anyway. It might have been nice to have a nod, but little more than that wouldn't really be necessary. Also, the 10-year excuse isn't quite accurate; did everyone forget about zero mission?

[DarkPhazonElite]

What really bugs me is that there is ZERO reference to the Chozo. Even Fusion had a statue at some point in the game. I think it gets to me because of all that "blah blah blah Adam blah blah blah Father Figure blah blah only one who understands blah blah." Hell, Prime 1 is riddled with Chozo history, and even Prime 2 mentions them rather often. I just don't get why Other M ignored the beings who saved Samus's ass, raised her, and made her who she is. Seems all Adam ever did was bark orders. I'm really scratching my head over this.

[Dryn]

I'm not quite as butthurt as others about MOM ignoring the Primes, and i pretty much expected it. But the game has no connection to Prime in the story-sense at all, so mentioning it would have had no effect on the game anyway. It might have been nice to have a nod, but little more than that wouldn't really be necessary. Also, the 10-year excuse isn't quite accurate; did everyone forget about zero mission?

I don't know who is butthurt about MOM's lack of MPT. Anyway, MZM could stand on its own. It didn't require any previous knowledge about Metroid. MOM did.

[rondus18]

I actually don't mind if you want to remove them from the canon. In fact I prefer it. It kind of annoys me that the Zelda series has this crazy, alternate timeline canon when ultimately it doesn't really mean anything. It's not like they build up to anything and the particular game you might be playing doesn't really change if you know which games preceded and succeeded it.

I wish Nintendo would take more of the James Bond approach with their games sometimes. You've got a character, you've got lore, you want to make a game, so just throw it together and don't worry about how it fits into any canon. That way you can have more room and freedom to do what you want to do.

So yay, Other M ignored Prime for the sake of it's own story. Boo, they didn't have the guts to admit it.

[Daya]

The fact that MOM ignored MPT for its own story is not the problem, in fact aside for some references like a soldier commenting on witnessing her during the event of Prime 3 would have been enough, but that's about it.

As long as the other games just makes references of it and not direct ties-in (But that'd be awesome to see Sylux in Metroid 5, he could bring some important elements about the Federation), that's fine, as long as the scenario isn't too complicated nor too simple.

Because yeah, MPT is seen as a spinoff from the general timeline, and I'm fine about it.

But still, completely ignoring it is idiotic.

[Zynux]

I actually had little problem with them ignoring Prime. I would have liked a nod or something, but I'm not too upset by it.

However...

What really bugs me is that there is ZERO reference to the Chozo. Even Fusion had a statue at some point in the game. I think it gets to me because of all that "blah blah blah Adam blah blah blah Father Figure blah blah only one who understands blah blah." Hell, Prime 1 is riddled with Chozo history, and even Prime 2 mentions them rather often. I just don't get why Other M ignored the beings who saved Samus's ass, raised her, and made her who she is. Seems all Adam ever did was bark orders. I'm really scratching my head over this.

This. This was so moronic on Other M's part that it's just baffling.


Now, in regards to these two videos, the first one was pretty meh but I really think he hit the nail with the second one.

[Chris]

In what way was Samus' Chozo upbringing related to the mission on the Bottle Ship? It wasn't. The game focussed on her past with Adam because Adam was there. Her Chozo roots have been hinted at a fair bit through the Prime trilogy and in Zero Mission, they don't need to mention them in every game, they will lose their mystery.

[vampe13]

I decided to watch the first video earlier today before you replied. I don't recall any marines saying saying something like that in MP3:C, although there is one particular marine on the G.F.S. Olympus who you can speak to and asks something like, "Are you Samus Aran? It's an honor to meet you", or something like that. Yeah, I can see why people said MOM ignored MPT. To be honest, I never heard this part of the problem until today. Before that, all I heard was, "The Ridley scene" and "This game is sexist".

There's several marines in the G.F.S. Olympus that will say two different quotes if you talk to them twice. One of them will say at the second time ''Hey is true you took out an entire planet of Pirates??''

And rondus18 reminded me that one of the Marine scans in Metroid Prime 2 tells about how 1 marine got in an argument with another about Samus Aran being real or not

I actually don't mind if you want to remove them from the canon. In fact I prefer it. It kind of annoys me that the Zelda series has this crazy, alternate timeline canon when ultimately it doesn't really mean anything.

Past Metroid games didnt entirely focus on getting players up to date with past events. Each game could be picked up and be capable of being a standalone title without having previous knowledge. That was well done. One of Other M's mistakes it that it attempted to compact a huge portion of the series' history in it. I personally find that Metroid's story is better than Zelda for the simple fact that it is not made up of parallel universes and all. With the release of Other M, this has been put into doubt however...

[vampe13]

You can't really fault the game for ignoring the Primes. Those were made by a completely different team, and never once did Sakamoto said they were really part of the series' canon. Sure they fit in there without really ruining anything, but no non-Prime game mentioned Prime events and it might be better to stay that way.

Sakamoto did say in an interview that he considered the Prime games as part of the Metroid series' canon. Thus why its so infuriating that Other M seems to ignore the Prime series so much. If Sakamoto considered them canon, then logically he should have made sure his latest game did not clash with them, especially considering how successful and highly praised they were. The way he talked about the Prime series in the interview is something along the lines of ''the events in the games are canon, but not the Samus shown in them. In Other M, you will meet the true Samus''.

And following that logic, Samus had only defeated Ridley twice before. She didn't get around to really killing him in Metroid, and he was back for more in Super, when he died. The Ridleys in Other M and Fusion are, quite clearly, clones created by the Federation, so no, he didn't resurrect. If Samus knew she hadn't killed him the first time, which I think she did, she wouldn't be very surprised when she fought him again in Ceres. Now, seeing him after completely killing him was indeed a shock.

Also, the 10-year excuse isn't quite accurate; did everyone forget about zero mission?

Since the Prime games are canon, you have to take into account that Samus fought Ridley 5 times. But just this once, lets ignore the Prime games. In the remake made by Sakamoto of the original Metroid game, Zero Mission, it CLEARLY showed Ridley exploding to nothing. This unfortunately strengthened the belief that Ridley had died more than once in the past and that cloning him was already a common practice in the series. To answer your question Infinity's End, no one forgot Zero Mission, but Other M clashes even with its own 2D games.
Sakamoto could have easily either...

1: Made Ridley's defeat in Zero Mission subtle or offscreen that would GREATLY insinuate that he survived. The game served as a tool to retcon a few elements from the NES/Famicon version. Ridley exploded in the original version? Then lets change that! An example of a subtle defeat would have been him falling into the lava below after the battle and the surrounding platforms/ruins collapsing and blocking off the pool afterwards. This would have made fans think ''we didn't see him die, and he obviously survives since he comes back in Prime 1/Super Metroid''.
2: Zero Mission had cutscenes and written dialogue. If Sakamoto had always envisioned Samus the way he did in Other M, he could have taken the opportunity to show us more of Samus' sensitive side in the remake through extra dialogue or cutscenes, thus preparing us for Other M.

In what way was Samus' Chozo upbringing related to the mission on the Bottle Ship? It wasn't. The game focussed on her past with Adam because Adam was there.

I understand your point of view. But Samus constantly emphasizing that Adam was her father figure is annoying as hell. If anything, Adam should at the maximum been portrayed as a brother-like figure, nothing more. The Chozo are the only beings deserving to be perceived as parents.

But the game has no connection to Prime in the story-sense at all, so mentioning it would have had no effect on the game anyway. It might have been nice to have a nod, but little more than that wouldn't really be necessary.

I don't know who is butthurt about MOM's lack of MPT.

Yes a little nod would have been wonderful in Other M. And yes the Prime series' story about Phazon is concluded. They are events that took place chronologically years before Other M's events. But a sentence like ''It was my first joint mission I had been a part of since since becoming a freelance bounty hunter'' is a spit to any fan that had immensely enjoyed the Prime games, or worse: to those that BECAME Metroid fans thanks to the Prime series. Those people that became fans thanks to Retro, I imagine got interested in playing the 2D games, then Zero Mission, and finally Other M shows up and contradicts what they've been come to know since then.