Power Suit mechanics: what is and what is not possible

[Redwing]

Personally I kind of share Sylux' [implied] view that the suit is fun to describe in pseudo-science terms, like saying it is built out of 'nanostone' which is extremely durable and light and has never been discovered by humanity. It makes the suit more feasible but does not weaken it and preserves the alien mystique. While it is possible to extrapolate physics and other such laws that govern the universe onto the suit (because these laws are constant and apply even to aliens), it is not possible to fully explain in modern, discovered science what is being done within the suit. We have not discovered antigravity devices, yet they exist within the Chozo range of technology. Antigravity itself is largely just BS, but it is still an explanation and it's about as far as I am interested in going as far as explanation. And besides, making stuff up is much more fun and requires less knowledge of actual physical possibilities.

In the metroid universe, humanity has progressed to great technological heights. Interstellar travel is common and easy. Powered armor is equipped to common soldiers. Force-fields, antigravity engines, and bio-mechanical computers are in use. In addition to its own ingenuity, humanity is part of the galactic federation, meaning that it has the scientific assets of several other races as well. The galactic federation can do things that our scientists today can hardly dream about.

And the galactic federation scientists can't figure out chozo tech.

My question is; if the GF scientists, armed with knowledge and understanding of natural principles centuries ahead of the modern day, can't figure out how the power suit works, how could you possibly hope to explain it using modern or upcoming technologies, Rufio?

Five hundred years ago, no one even dreamed of particle weapons or nanotechnology. They were so far beyond contemporary science that no one could possibly theorize about them. What I feel the chozo are supposed to capture is just that; a species so advanced that their technology is beyond anything we of 21st century earth could possibly understand. They know about entire schools of physical laws that we haven't discovered. They manipulate particles that we don't know exist. They have machines that run on LIFE ENERGY for crying out loud! Coming up with a thorough explanation for Samus' suit using realistic (ie, based on what we know today) science is like a medieval alchemist, using only the proven science of his time, trying to explain nuclear power.

Any attempt to hold the suit to the technological limits of today can be met only with failure. If you feel like explaining the suit, make up some fake science to explain it with. Its always worked for me.

[rufioxiii]

Just to iterate - I am not uncalm.

It just doesn't make sense to me why someone, even an admin, and yes I did notice that before my last post, would come into the thread and just be like

rawrsors. this is stupid, why are you even trying.

I know it is advanced tech. I know I won't be able to explain everything

I am only explaining her suit anyways. Hell, I know the chozo has things that run on LIFE ENERGY. I mean.. obviously her suit does. Would you all feel better if I tried to just explain the PHYSICS of the suit? Since like Sylux said, everthing is bound by the same laws? they are constant and all?

I mean.. just cause I am setting myself up for failure doesn't mean you have to stop me before i fail.

let me make up devices that do this and that.. let me think of hypothetical names..

half the stuff I am talking about doesnt really exist. We havent even proven the existence of gravitons, but really, that is theoretically what the Gravity Suit uses, and what we will theoretically use in anti-gravity / gravity generators when we discover them.

The reason I havent had a clear, concise post is because I am trying to rewrite my Power Suit Mechanics document, and all I am trying to do is get some people to shoot ideas back to me, but that doesn't mean I am just going to take the ideas for granted, I will test the idea out. I have conceded on many things already, I have found that certain parts of the suit are organic, similar to Star Trek ships, using organic gel based computers. Hell, on one episode, the ship caught a cold!

But I digress.

I don't care if you think it is stupid. or impossible.
I am going to rewrite the doc.

If you want to help, send as much as you can.
If you don't, then whatever, thats fine too. But why waste any time trying to unconvince me?

Oh, and Infinity - I will adopt an eastern philosophy on the morph ball.

just makes no sense.

(but when you read why they developed it, it doesnt matter.)

[Dryn]

Would you all feel better if I tried to just explain the PHYSICS of the suit? Since like Sylux said, everthing is bound by the same laws? they are constant and all?

Maybe? Why should our physics be applied to the Metroid Universe? Why should our laws be applied to the Metroid Universe? Let's take gravity for example. There seems to be no difference in the gravity on planet K-2L, Elysia, Bryyo, Tallon IV, SR388, or even Zebes. Samus doesn't struggle with certain planets as if one planet had more gravity, thus causing Samus to jump not as high or fall as fast versus a planet with low gravity that causes Samus to jump higher than normal, fall slower than normal, and so forth. I think the point of this thread wasn't to discuss Samus' Power Suit anyway, but to see if we could make a Power Suit and what would be possible and impossible.

half the stuff I am talking about doesnt really exist. We havent even proven the existence of gravitons, but really, that is theoretically what the Gravity Suit uses, and what we will theoretically use in anti-gravity / gravity generators when we discover them.

I wouldn't even say "theoretical," and if we were to use a term like anti-G generator, does not necessarily mean the two would function the same way.

Hell, on one episode, the ship caught a cold!

I don't know if that's what is meant by "organic."

Oh, and Infinity - I will adopt an eastern philosophy on the morph ball.

I'm curious on what Eastern philosophy has to do with the Morph Ball.

[rufioxiii]

eastern philosophy = better left unexplained. essentially.

And I know thats not what they mean by organic.

Just putting out that a ship run by conventional electronics could not catch a biological cold.

[Captain Olimar]

What about the PED(Phazon Enhancement Device)? could that maybe work(without the initial corruption)?

[rufioxiii]

I assume so, as the general guards used it with their power armor. only issue is, I can easily see the phazon corrupting the minds of any who used it, much like the chozo in the first prime game.

[milescart]

im not evan going to try explaning the suit so here is the beams

power beam: for this you whould need to take matter from the air condence it , heat it and shoot it out the arm canon the only proplem is that it whould take time to charge.

ice beam: this might work as a ball of liquid nitrogin that you can shoot at somone this can kill them instantly and freeze them instantly but not completly and you have to store it someware, and it whould have a short range

wave beam : this might be electricly carged matter but it cant go thrueh walls

plasma beam: this is just super heated plasma you can shoot

imperialist: this is the most realistic it is just a red laser

all and all a gun is more easy than this stuff

OK, so let's discuss the Power Suit. What do you think is possible and what you think isn't, as well how everything works.

This can help you out in figuring most stuff out:

Power Suit Mechanics, thanks to Ian Shultzaberger for that.

Check out arm cannon mechanics too.

[Lazarius]

I was thinking, the Ice Beam freezes enemies in place, even if they're floating. The only way I can imagine that happening, is if the ice beam drops the temperature to absolute zero. Because that of course stops all movement, doesn't it? So they'd float.

[mental]

I was thinking, the Ice Beam freezes enemies in place, even if they're floating. The only way I can imagine that happening, is if the ice beam drops the temperature to absolute zero. Because that of course stops all movement, doesn't it? So they'd float.

...temperature doesn't quite work that way, no.

[Silver Skree]

They float because their Frozen AI is a simple countdown timer and doesn't include gravity detection code!


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[Lazarius]

I was thinking, the Ice Beam freezes enemies in place, even if they're floating. The only way I can imagine that happening, is if the ice beam drops the temperature to absolute zero. Because that of course stops all movement, doesn't it? So they'd float.

...temperature doesn't quite work that way, no.

Dammit! I thought it might not... I just remember hearing something about movement stopping at absolute zero or something.

[Pillbox]

the movement of electrons in the matter stop, but an object at absolute zero would still be able to be tossed around.

[sharonlover]

now if the ice beam froze the air molecules to absolute zero to stop their movement AND those air molecules frozen, were frozen to a wall at absolute zero, would the object frozen in mid-air stay in mid-air or would the rigidity of the air molecules hold up the object?.