Samus persona evolution - thoughts?

by **lunchmeat** » 11.18.07 2:17pm

I don't know if this has been posted before, as i was too lazy to search for any threads on the subject. I feel the need to ask about this, though.

Does anyone not really like the way Samus is portrayed these days? From loner to socialist/talker, from Power Suit to spandex?

I've alway seen Samus as somewhat of a loner - she works alone, she's highly efficient, and she's super-confident. However, I'd imagine she'd have more of the quiet confidence about her - no cockiness, or need to show off or prove anything. She lost her family at three, so she was old enough to know them and feel emotion for them - yet, she was raised and trained by the Chozo to control her abilities, both physical and mental. Due to her growing up with an alien species, I doubt she'd relate very well to humans, even though the first three years of her life were spent with a human colony.

I see Samus as a darker character - she has a tragic past, yet, she's been able to overcome it. She's quiet, she is solitary, and she's a bounty hunter. (The whole working for the federation thing always throws me for a loop.) Although she has strong survival instincts, she also harbors compassion and a strong sense of duty to herself and others, due to her past and the fate of the Chozo.

On to her looks - sure, Samus is probably really attractive, but I don't think she'd be 'hot'. (I'm talking facially.) Although I'm sure she'd be very comely, I believe that she'd have a somewhat hardened face, due to what she's seen and what she's been through. I believe that if I met her in person, she'd act a lot older than she'd appear - and her eyes, her face, would show this.

And what is up with picture showing Samus taking off her helmet, and having her hair down? Seriously! Samus is not vain, and she's definitely utilitarian. The ending of Super Metroid shows her having a sensible bun, which she takes down. It just makes sense.

I'm not saying that Samus shouldn't look good - but I don't like all the hype about the revealing Zero Suit. (I guess at least she's not in a bikini or something, although a search on google will show you that some fanboys with too much time have already skinned her thus.) Also, the pictures at the end of Fusion and ZM don't seem to really fit either...Samus in a two-piece jumpsuit, sitting in a bar? I don't know about that.

It seems to me that lately, with the new Zero Suit craze and all, Samus has been relegated to the status of bounty hunter bimbo. I don't know....it just seems to me that before this entire thing, Samus had a lot more respect. Yeah, she may not have been as well-known, but she stood out from a lot of other female heroines. Now, she's been lumped into the same category as all of the other good-looking female stereotypes out there.

This wasn't very well-written, so I'm sorry if it doesn't flow too well - couldn't really translate thoughts to words. Anyone out hre understand, and agree/disagree? Discuss.

by **StoicHunter** » 11.18.07 2:28pm

(Wow.. did you read my profile for Samus on Econtra? :shock:

)

I play her, keeping in mind all the concerns you brought up. I've tried to meld the new with the old, adding to it my own sense of what it is to be a woman and the portrayal of other strong Sci Fi women along with what I've gathered from her actions in the games.

I've tried to not look at so much what she's been portrayed as, but what a real person would be like in the same situation. I guess I just always fob off 'the games' as a retelling of Samus, much like I think of Legend of Zelda as a 'hero story' of Link. The legend of who Samus is doesn't need to be who she is, it's going to be what people see her as, the glory, the adventure, but not necessarily the person she would be.

I look at Samus' situation a lot like Joan of Arc's situation in terms of the story versus who the real woman was.

(I hope that made sense. :oops:

)

by **Will Keaton** » 11.18.07 2:33pm

No, that makes perfect sense. It's much more fun to see how other people see Samus than to see how she sees herself. Most people see a bad-ass bounty hunter, (who they probably assume is a guy,) while the average space pirate sees her as some sort of unstoppable killing machine with a tendancy to blow up planets.

by **StoicHunter** » 11.18.07 2:39pm

Still my favorite Scannable Logs ever

:

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes wrote:SPC M. ANGSETH:

This is ridiculous. I can outshoot half the men here, and I'm stuck on monitor duty. I didn't join up to stare at a holoscreen! This wouldn't happen to Samus Aran... She'd be out there taking care of business, not pushing buttons and sending reports.

PFC I. CRANY:

Last night at chow, Angseth starts talking about some bounty hunter and how she blew up a planet full of Space Pirates. I told her I didn't believe in fairy tales like that, and she took it personal. I just find it had to believe that one person took out an entire Space Pirate base, that's all. But if she wants to believe in this Samus, or Bigfoot, or Santa Claus, she can.

(Copied from wikitroid)

by **lunchmeat** » 11.18.07 3:09pm

ChozoChild wrote:(Wow.. did you read my profile for Samus on Econtra? )

I play her, keeping in mind all the concerns you brought up. I've tried to meld the new with the old, adding to it my own sense of what it is to be a woman and the portrayal of other strong Sci Fi women along with what I've gathered from her actions in the games.

I've tried to not look at so much what she's been portrayed as, but what a real person would be like in the same situation. I guess I just always fob off 'the games' as a retelling of Samus, much like I think of Legend of Zelda as a 'hero story' of Link. The legend of who Samus is doesn't need to be who she is, it's going to be what people see her as, the glory, the adventure, but not necessarily the person she would be.

I look at Samus' situation a lot like Joan of Arc's situation in terms of the story versus who the real woman was.

(I hope that made sense. )

I don't know if anyone's read any of the novels in the series A Song of Fire and Ice but I imagine Samus' situation as being similar to Brienne of Tarth. Brienne also has a quiet confidence (yet, unlike Samus, she has a lot of insecurities for reasons explained in the novel) and insane battle prowess. She also has to deal with different viewpoints of her character. Brienne is a female knight in a world of male knights, and she's got to deal with being a woman in this situation.

However, I really think that Samus would be above all of this - she's sensible, focused, and very efficient. While some people would be affected by all of the, uh, hype about her character, I think that due to her Chozo training and Chozo mentality (remember, she didn't grow up with humans) that the whole portrayal thing wouldn't bother her. In fact, I'm not sure she would even understand it, not growing up with humans. I believe Samus is very intelligent, but I'm not sure if her emotional growth runs the full gamut of human social interaction. Thus, she may not understand why certain people see her the way they do - for instance, the scan logs from MP2 - but again, I'm sure it doesn't affect her due to her high level of focus. I guess the term I'm looking for is down-to-earth.

I don't think Samus would worry much about being a woman in her case - I think she's emotionally and mentally confident enough for it simply not to be an issue, even if someone tried to make it an issue, y'know?

by **StoicHunter** » 11.18.07 5:29pm

Ahaha. The irony is great isn't it.? Samus is very down to earth...

But I believe it's one of the biggest parts of her personality. She doesn't let things get to her. Samus, as I RP her, doesn't really feel she's done anything amazing in her past. She's just 'done her job', 'done what needed to be done'. She doesn't bat an eye at being ordered into a dangerous situation where she might die, she just does it because those actions are needed.

Yes! The raised by non-humans thing!

What does she care what humans think about her? I've always felt what matters most to Samus is what the Chozo think (or thought) and any sort of questions about that were most likely cleared up by the Lore available on Tallon IV. There's some really touching scenes in the Metroid Zero Mission manga too, that hopefully will be available translated soon on MDb, yay!

by **Redwing** » 11.19.07 5:39pm

If Nintendo actually spent time on character and plot in their games, then maybe Samus would be much cooler. Instead, we rely on her appearance to judge how she views things. I'm seriously getting tired of actually being able to debate this stuff. I think if the next Metroid game doesn't have a decent plot and plenty of character development, I will really lose faith in Nintendo as a developer. It worked fine on NES and SNES, even a bit on the 64, but now that we have the capability to hear Samus talk, see how she interacts, learn about her past in dramatic cutscenes and make a game that is very close to a movie... why don't we? Tales of Symphonia proved it possible on last-gen hardware. I think Nintendo needs to step up.

by **StoicHunter** » 11.19.07 5:49pm

Personally... I like not knowing exactly.

I mean, I would love if they would really decide on a past or timeline to follow.. but otherwise how they've presented it...

I loved how they did it in the first Prime game. It was such a creative and sensitive way to delve into Samus' past.

But see... I'm going along the idea that the videogames are 'stories' of the famous Hunter, and inconsistencies don't matter as much to me then. I can see that if you really want to know precisely who Samus is and what her past is, why the games as they are would be frustrating. Being a history major.. I guess I've gotten used to the idea of never knowing the 'truth'.

For better or for worse. :oops:

by **lunchmeat** » 11.19.07 7:06pm

I will say one thing - I don't want Samus to talk.

I personally like the fact that we, as an audience, are distanced from her - even though we take control as her, we follow her missions, and love her character, we never truly are close to her. She's a hunter. She's a loner. And I really like it that way.

I love hte fact that Samus communicates to us through her logs - she's intelligent and detailed, but there's still that detachment. I think that dialogue can potentially weaken her character (and with all the hype about that damn Zero Suit, we know that her character's gonna go to hell. Admit it.) and really kill the silent hunter role. I believe that part of Samus' charm is that she's a powerful character, and she's a woman, but she's always got that mask. Her armor isn't only physical - it's a part of her character. Get what I'm sayin?

That's also why the Zero Suit doesn't work for me. Oh, I think she's hot, but when I loot at it I don't think 'Samus'. In fact, when I look at ZS and think 'Samus', I feel kinda weird and kind of guilty. Samus shouldn't be a sex object.

I guess that's it.

by **Redwing** » 11.19.07 7:43pm

Well, what I'm saying is that if some decent writers got on the Metroid series they could definitely let you in more on Samus' character and keep that feeling- because the more you know about her the less you really can... i don't know, relate? I mean, she had no contact with other humans for years, she's studied under the greatest minds in the universe, she's been the sole survivor of a massacre... what a great character to evolve! And yet, they refuse. I loved the logs, the way she seems very much aware of the way things work and stuff... but it's not enough for me. I don't need her to talk really- I figure she doesn't talk in order to keep an air of mystery. But we could use a descriptive sigh or something to let us know she's human. One of my favorite parts of Prime 3 was when 242 told Samus her mission and she ran to her ship. 'Finally!', I thought, because it seemed like she was getting emotional. I was hoping for a glimpse of backstory, character, anything... And then she got in the ship, and the screen went black with the words, "Good Luck Samus" on it. At that point I was sure it was Adam. I was hoping for a flashback. I was, of course, disappointed. And yet, it would have worked! We KNOW she used to love Adam, but it doesn't affect her at all outside of Fusion. We never see anything from the time she was in the GFP. This annoys me. If I were writing the game, I would have put in a flashback level where you play as Samus in the GFP and witness Adam's death. That would have made the game so amazing, especially if they kept it up... started putting references and flashbacks in every world or so...

You know what? I think I'm just going to have to go into the career of writing video games. I think I could do it.

by **StoicHunter** » 11.19.07 8:42pm

Mmmm, I don't know if flashbacks would really fit with how the Metroid games have always been. They seem to like to tell more with bits and pieces, actions, lore, scannable stuff. I'm not saying it's wrong to want more though! Believe me.. as someone who RPs as Samus sometimes I'd like nothing more than to just have a whole bunch of data lined up to use... but at the same time it's nice to be allowed to portray Samus how I feel she is... and it gives me a challenge of interpretation.

As for Zero Suit.. argh.. Don't get me started. :oops:

I loved it in the first Prime (the first Metroid game I ever played) when it was just the helmet. She looked tough, she looked slightly concerned about the destruction of the ruins, of making sure the Metroid Prime was destroyed... and then in Echoes... that's when they started making the Samus in the suit different from the Samus in the Zero-Suit. -sigh- Is it really that hard to make the face outside the suit the same woman as in it?? At least in looks if nothing else??

We don't actually know if she loved Adam... :roll:

But apparently lots of fanfics believe the Gandrayda x Samus should be canon! :oops:

by **The Corruptior998** » 11.19.07 8:43pm

im just talking about her face here but did anyone notice that after the first boss battle in the seed that her face is mangled and only get worse(u can see it in the scan visor after the mognear battle).

by **StoicHunter** » 11.19.07 8:44pm

Yes.

by **lunchmeat** » 11.19.07 9:47pm

Samus trusted Adam. She did not love him. I will reiterate - she's not your stereotypical chick, she's not going to fall for any guy she's somewhat close to.

I will note now that I haven't played any of the Prime games. I started playing Prime 1 at a friend's house but only got to the Mines...didn't get past that as I never owned a Gamecube. Just putting that out there. I suppose that's why I like Samus as a more distanced character, even though i've been under the helmet.

by **StoicHunter** » 11.19.07 10:01pm

Even in the Primes though.. you don't really get to know her. Even though you're 'under the helmet', Samus isn't so quick to give away her secrets. About the most blatant THIS IS SAMUS' STORY I've seen is the Metroid Manga, which is only out in Japan.

Um.. well.. and the Super Metroid comic.. I guess. :oops:

I'm.. uh.. pretty sure that isn't canon though?

lunchmeat Posts: 68 Joined: 11.17.07 5:50pm	Samus persona evolution - thoughts? by lunchmeat » 11.18.07 2:17pm I don't know if this has been posted before, as i was too lazy to search for any threads on the subject. I feel the need to ask about this, though. Does anyone not really like the way Samus is portrayed these days? From loner to socialist/talker, from Power Suit to spandex? I've alway seen Samus as somewhat of a loner - she works alone, she's highly efficient, and she's super-confident. However, I'd imagine she'd have more of the quiet confidence about her - no cockiness, or need to show off or prove anything. She lost her family at three, so she was old enough to know them and feel emotion for them - yet, she was raised and trained by the Chozo to control her abilities, both physical and mental. Due to her growing up with an alien species, I doubt she'd relate very well to humans, even though the first three years of her life were spent with a human colony. I see Samus as a darker character - she has a tragic past, yet, she's been able to overcome it. She's quiet, she is solitary, and she's a bounty hunter. (The whole working for the federation thing always throws me for a loop.) Although she has strong survival instincts, she also harbors compassion and a strong sense of duty to herself and others, due to her past and the fate of the Chozo. On to her looks - sure, Samus is probably really attractive, but I don't think she'd be 'hot'. (I'm talking facially.) Although I'm sure she'd be very comely, I believe that she'd have a somewhat hardened face, due to what she's seen and what she's been through. I believe that if I met her in person, she'd act a lot older than she'd appear - and her eyes, her face, would show this. And what is up with picture showing Samus taking off her helmet, and having her hair down? Seriously! Samus is not vain, and she's definitely utilitarian. The ending of Super Metroid shows her having a sensible bun, which she takes down. It just makes sense. I'm not saying that Samus shouldn't look good - but I don't like all the hype about the revealing Zero Suit. (I guess at least she's not in a bikini or something, although a search on google will show you that some fanboys with too much time have already skinned her thus.) Also, the pictures at the end of Fusion and ZM don't seem to really fit either...Samus in a two-piece jumpsuit, sitting in a bar? I don't know about that. It seems to me that lately, with the new Zero Suit craze and all, Samus has been relegated to the status of bounty hunter bimbo. I don't know....it just seems to me that before this entire thing, Samus had a lot more respect. Yeah, she may not have been as well-known, but she stood out from a lot of other female heroines. Now, she's been lumped into the same category as all of the other good-looking female stereotypes out there. This wasn't very well-written, so I'm sorry if it doesn't flow too well - couldn't really translate thoughts to words. Anyone out hre understand, and agree/disagree? Discuss. -lunchmeat
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.18.07 2:28pm (Wow.. did you read my profile for Samus on Econtra? ) I play her, keeping in mind all the concerns you brought up. I've tried to meld the new with the old, adding to it my own sense of what it is to be a woman and the portrayal of other strong Sci Fi women along with what I've gathered from her actions in the games. I've tried to not look at so much what she's been portrayed as, but what a real person would be like in the same situation. I guess I just always fob off 'the games' as a retelling of Samus, much like I think of Legend of Zelda as a 'hero story' of Link. The legend of who Samus is doesn't need to be who she is, it's going to be what people see her as, the glory, the adventure, but not necessarily the person she would be. I look at Samus' situation a lot like Joan of Arc's situation in terms of the story versus who the real woman was. (I hope that made sense. ) ~Stoic Hunter
Will Keaton Posts: 965 Joined: 10.19.07 11:39am Location: Alberta, Canada	by Will Keaton » 11.18.07 2:33pm No, that makes perfect sense. It's much more fun to see how other people see Samus than to see how she sees herself. Most people see a bad-ass bounty hunter, (who they probably assume is a guy,) while the average space pirate sees her as some sort of unstoppable killing machine with a tendancy to blow up planets. Everyone dies. It is the final and only lasting Justice - Boba Fett
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.18.07 2:39pm Still my favorite Scannable Logs ever : Metroid Prime 2: Echoes wrote:SPC M. ANGSETH: This is ridiculous. I can outshoot half the men here, and I'm stuck on monitor duty. I didn't join up to stare at a holoscreen! This wouldn't happen to Samus Aran... She'd be out there taking care of business, not pushing buttons and sending reports. PFC I. CRANY: Last night at chow, Angseth starts talking about some bounty hunter and how she blew up a planet full of Space Pirates. I told her I didn't believe in fairy tales like that, and she took it personal. I just find it had to believe that one person took out an entire Space Pirate base, that's all. But if she wants to believe in this Samus, or Bigfoot, or Santa Claus, she can. (Copied from wikitroid) ~Stoic Hunter
lunchmeat Posts: 68 Joined: 11.17.07 5:50pm	by lunchmeat » 11.18.07 3:09pm ChozoChild wrote:(Wow.. did you read my profile for Samus on Econtra? ) I play her, keeping in mind all the concerns you brought up. I've tried to meld the new with the old, adding to it my own sense of what it is to be a woman and the portrayal of other strong Sci Fi women along with what I've gathered from her actions in the games. I've tried to not look at so much what she's been portrayed as, but what a real person would be like in the same situation. I guess I just always fob off 'the games' as a retelling of Samus, much like I think of Legend of Zelda as a 'hero story' of Link. The legend of who Samus is doesn't need to be who she is, it's going to be what people see her as, the glory, the adventure, but not necessarily the person she would be. I look at Samus' situation a lot like Joan of Arc's situation in terms of the story versus who the real woman was. (I hope that made sense. ) I don't know if anyone's read any of the novels in the series A Song of Fire and Ice but I imagine Samus' situation as being similar to Brienne of Tarth. Brienne also has a quiet confidence (yet, unlike Samus, she has a lot of insecurities for reasons explained in the novel) and insane battle prowess. She also has to deal with different viewpoints of her character. Brienne is a female knight in a world of male knights, and she's got to deal with being a woman in this situation. However, I really think that Samus would be above all of this - she's sensible, focused, and very efficient. While some people would be affected by all of the, uh, hype about her character, I think that due to her Chozo training and Chozo mentality (remember, she didn't grow up with humans) that the whole portrayal thing wouldn't bother her. In fact, I'm not sure she would even understand it, not growing up with humans. I believe Samus is very intelligent, but I'm not sure if her emotional growth runs the full gamut of human social interaction. Thus, she may not understand why certain people see her the way they do - for instance, the scan logs from MP2 - but again, I'm sure it doesn't affect her due to her high level of focus. I guess the term I'm looking for is down-to-earth. I don't think Samus would worry much about being a woman in her case - I think she's emotionally and mentally confident enough for it simply not to be an issue, even if someone tried to make it an issue, y'know? -lunchmeat
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.18.07 5:29pm Ahaha. The irony is great isn't it.? Samus is very down to earth... But I believe it's one of the biggest parts of her personality. She doesn't let things get to her. Samus, as I RP her, doesn't really feel she's done anything amazing in her past. She's just 'done her job', 'done what needed to be done'. She doesn't bat an eye at being ordered into a dangerous situation where she might die, she just does it because those actions are needed. Yes! The raised by non-humans thing! What does she care what humans think about her? I've always felt what matters most to Samus is what the Chozo think (or thought) and any sort of questions about that were most likely cleared up by the Lore available on Tallon IV. There's some really touching scenes in the Metroid Zero Mission manga too, that hopefully will be available translated soon on MDb, yay! ~Stoic Hunter
Redwing Posts: 3238 Joined: 07.16.07 4:08pm Location: North Carolina Website	by Redwing » 11.19.07 5:39pm If Nintendo actually spent time on character and plot in their games, then maybe Samus would be much cooler. Instead, we rely on her appearance to judge how she views things. I'm seriously getting tired of actually being able to debate this stuff. I think if the next Metroid game doesn't have a decent plot and plenty of character development, I will really lose faith in Nintendo as a developer. It worked fine on NES and SNES, even a bit on the 64, but now that we have the capability to hear Samus talk, see how she interacts, learn about her past in dramatic cutscenes and make a game that is very close to a movie... why don't we? Tales of Symphonia proved it possible on last-gen hardware. I think Nintendo needs to step up.
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.19.07 5:49pm Personally... I like not knowing exactly. I mean, I would love if they would really decide on a past or timeline to follow.. but otherwise how they've presented it... I loved how they did it in the first Prime game. It was such a creative and sensitive way to delve into Samus' past. But see... I'm going along the idea that the videogames are 'stories' of the famous Hunter, and inconsistencies don't matter as much to me then. I can see that if you really want to know precisely who Samus is and what her past is, why the games as they are would be frustrating. Being a history major.. I guess I've gotten used to the idea of never knowing the 'truth'. For better or for worse. ~Stoic Hunter
lunchmeat Posts: 68 Joined: 11.17.07 5:50pm	by lunchmeat » 11.19.07 7:06pm I will say one thing - I don't want Samus to talk. I personally like the fact that we, as an audience, are distanced from her - even though we take control as her, we follow her missions, and love her character, we never truly are close to her. She's a hunter. She's a loner. And I really like it that way. I love hte fact that Samus communicates to us through her logs - she's intelligent and detailed, but there's still that detachment. I think that dialogue can potentially weaken her character (and with all the hype about that damn Zero Suit, we know that her character's gonna go to hell. Admit it.) and really kill the silent hunter role. I believe that part of Samus' charm is that she's a powerful character, and she's a woman, but she's always got that mask. Her armor isn't only physical - it's a part of her character. Get what I'm sayin? That's also why the Zero Suit doesn't work for me. Oh, I think she's hot, but when I loot at it I don't think 'Samus'. In fact, when I look at ZS and think 'Samus', I feel kinda weird and kind of guilty. Samus shouldn't be a sex object. I guess that's it. -lunchmeat
Redwing Posts: 3238 Joined: 07.16.07 4:08pm Location: North Carolina Website	by Redwing » 11.19.07 7:43pm Well, what I'm saying is that if some decent writers got on the Metroid series they could definitely let you in more on Samus' character and keep that feeling- because the more you know about her the less you really can... i don't know, relate? I mean, she had no contact with other humans for years, she's studied under the greatest minds in the universe, she's been the sole survivor of a massacre... what a great character to evolve! And yet, they refuse. I loved the logs, the way she seems very much aware of the way things work and stuff... but it's not enough for me. I don't need her to talk really- I figure she doesn't talk in order to keep an air of mystery. But we could use a descriptive sigh or something to let us know she's human. One of my favorite parts of Prime 3 was when 242 told Samus her mission and she ran to her ship. 'Finally!', I thought, because it seemed like she was getting emotional. I was hoping for a glimpse of backstory, character, anything... And then she got in the ship, and the screen went black with the words, "Good Luck Samus" on it. At that point I was sure it was Adam. I was hoping for a flashback. I was, of course, disappointed. And yet, it would have worked! We KNOW she used to love Adam, but it doesn't affect her at all outside of Fusion. We never see anything from the time she was in the GFP. This annoys me. If I were writing the game, I would have put in a flashback level where you play as Samus in the GFP and witness Adam's death. That would have made the game so amazing, especially if they kept it up... started putting references and flashbacks in every world or so... You know what? I think I'm just going to have to go into the career of writing video games. I think I could do it.
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.19.07 8:42pm Mmmm, I don't know if flashbacks would really fit with how the Metroid games have always been. They seem to like to tell more with bits and pieces, actions, lore, scannable stuff. I'm not saying it's wrong to want more though! Believe me.. as someone who RPs as Samus sometimes I'd like nothing more than to just have a whole bunch of data lined up to use... but at the same time it's nice to be allowed to portray Samus how I feel she is... and it gives me a challenge of interpretation. As for Zero Suit.. argh.. Don't get me started. I loved it in the first Prime (the first Metroid game I ever played) when it was just the helmet. She looked tough, she looked slightly concerned about the destruction of the ruins, of making sure the Metroid Prime was destroyed... and then in Echoes... that's when they started making the Samus in the suit different from the Samus in the Zero-Suit. -sigh- Is it really that hard to make the face outside the suit the same woman as in it?? At least in looks if nothing else?? We don't actually know if she loved Adam... But apparently lots of fanfics believe the Gandrayda x Samus should be canon! ~Stoic Hunter
The Corruptior998 Posts: 32 Joined: 11.13.07 5:21pm Location: seceret passage in elysia where me and all the chozo play cards	by The Corruptior998 » 11.19.07 8:43pm im just talking about her face here but did anyone notice that after the first boss battle in the seed that her face is mangled and only get worse(u can see it in the scan visor after the mognear battle). The Corruptior
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.19.07 8:44pm Yes. ~Stoic Hunter
lunchmeat Posts: 68 Joined: 11.17.07 5:50pm	by lunchmeat » 11.19.07 9:47pm Samus trusted Adam. She did not love him. I will reiterate - she's not your stereotypical chick, she's not going to fall for any guy she's somewhat close to. I will note now that I haven't played any of the Prime games. I started playing Prime 1 at a friend's house but only got to the Mines...didn't get past that as I never owned a Gamecube. Just putting that out there. I suppose that's why I like Samus as a more distanced character, even though i've been under the helmet. -lunchmeat
StoicHunter Posts: 103 Joined: 11.14.07 9:19am	by StoicHunter » 11.19.07 10:01pm Even in the Primes though.. you don't really get to know her. Even though you're 'under the helmet', Samus isn't so quick to give away her secrets. About the most blatant THIS IS SAMUS' STORY I've seen is the Metroid Manga, which is only out in Japan. Um.. well.. and the Super Metroid comic.. I guess. I'm.. uh.. pretty sure that isn't canon though? ~Stoic Hunter

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