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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby DarkPhazonElite » 04.19.12 9:04pm

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Plasma Beam wrote:Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do! :)


Really? Are we that rare? XD


Pretty much. XD
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Plasma Beam » 04.20.12 5:56pm

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Plasma Beam wrote:Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do! :)


Really? Are we that rare? XD


I...i guess i was on the wrong forums before D: !!

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby DarkPhazonElite » 04.20.12 7:15pm

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Tianna wrote:
Plasma Beam wrote:Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do! :)


Really? Are we that rare? XD


I...i guess i was on the wrong forums before D: !!


Probably. You'd have to get on a Metroid-specific website to find more chicks who like the game. Otherwise you'd get on sites like Raptr or even ScrewAttack where just about all of the females on there are all about Guitar Hero, PC games, CoD, and Halo. (Hell no, only Maple Story and maybe DDO, not yet and not sure.) Other than yours truly, aka SamusAran512, if you've been on that site throughout 2011... :)

I also would not mind a Prime 4, although I know Tianna is not a fan of the Prime games, I'd like to see that and maybe another good third person game. :D
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Remnants » 04.21.12 11:32pm

Hmm, what other ways could Samus interact with her environment. I got the idea that she would have to manipulate certain life forms (could even be humans) in order to accomplish something (getting an item, gaining access to new areas or something mission-relevant). A different thing I'm picturing is her walking out of armor in inconspicuous clothing as to not stand out while she's in a crowded place. What's important is that other people strike as coldly as feasible as to feel isolated even in the presence of other people, to feel like those people surrounding you are really nothing more than an environmental occurrence. They appear different to the eyes but feel as though they are all one and the same. As for what the occasion could be, I haven't thought of that yet.

Another fundamental concept that could be expanded on is "change". In most Metroid games, the environment pretty much static throughout. The best example of environmental change that I can think of would be Frigate Orpheon in Metroid Prime; orbital space frigate at first that later becomes a developing marine ecosystem.
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby 1upD » 05.27.12 2:54pm

No more prequels. The next game must be post-Fusion. Let's look at what we know.

-The Space Pirates have been completely eradicated.
-The X have been completely eradicated, unless through some ridiculous plot device some survived
-The Metroids have been completely eradicated, unless the Federation happens to have yet another top-secret evil military research station
-The Federation does not understand Samus' motives for destroying the BSL

I really think they need to go back to the original Metroid formula if any new game is to succeed. So Samus should crash on a single planet similar to Zebes' and explore the game in a non-linear fashion. Samus' suit should also be a major plot point, since Nintendo clearly wants to bring her back to her original appearance. She could lose her items due to complications between the suit and the metroid vaccine. If Nintendo really wanted to go crazy on this idea, Samus could become some sort of metroid-imbued energy vampire as part of the gameplay, but this isn't necessary. At some point during the game her old suit should be an upgrade, so we need there to be Chozo ruins like those in MZM. There should also be some sort of resolution to the conflict with the GF, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see a return from Anthony Higgs and Madeline Bergman, but no linear storytelling this time around.
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby shdowhunt60 » 05.27.12 9:26pm

I have to agree that the only way to go is forward. No more prequels. Part of the charm of Samus's caracter is mystery, how little we know of her character keeps us interested in her. Who is this woman in the suit? What is she thinking? How does she feel? I felt like the Prime series did a good job of giving subtle little hints throughout the games. The ending where she takes off her helmet to look at the distruction of the Impact Crater. The way she closes the dead marine's eyes in Prime 2, and how in the end she leaves without a word and merely waving. The way she flinched in Gandrayda's death, and saluted Admiral Dane in the end of Prime 3. Even Zero Mission did a good job on that front. Nothing about those games told us explicitly about how Samus thought or felt, but left us guessing.

As for a sequel, I've given some thought to one. Her suit is broken/malfunction/changed/whatever. So maybe the next game could revolve around that. I like the 2.5d concept that Other M was trying to go for, even if the execution wasn't perfect. I'd like to see a return to the scan visor, and certainly the first person perspective would be perfect for that. I don't like the idea of the Federation being the Big Bad, because "The Government is Evil" is so overused, but I suppose that at this point its inevitible. Having an internal conflict in the Federation could be a solution to that, but I honestly don't feel that Sakamoto or any other writers in Nintendo would pursue a plotline like that.

Those are my thoughts for now, but if I have any more, I'd be sure to post them here if anyone is mildly interested.

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Chris » 05.28.12 6:27am

1upD wrote:-The Federation has put out a warrant for Samus' arrest


When did this happen?

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby 1upD » 05.28.12 9:52am

shdowhunt60 wrote:As for a sequel, I've given some thought to one. Her suit is broken/malfunction/changed/whatever. So maybe the next game could revolve around that. I like the 2.5d concept that Other M was trying to go for, even if the execution wasn't perfect. I'd like to see a return to the scan visor, and certainly the first person perspective would be perfect for that.

The Wii U controller might be a huge improvement to the third person/first person switch because you could see both views simultaneously. Or maybe the first person would be exclusively for scanning. Either way works.
I don't like the idea of the Federation being the Big Bad, because "The Government is Evil" is so overused, but I suppose that at this point its inevitible. Having an internal conflict in the Federation could be a solution to that, but I honestly don't feel that Sakamoto or any other writers in Nintendo would pursue a plotline like that.

Other M already sort of said that a rogue faction was responsible for the Bottle Ship (and presumably BSL). I doubt the whole Federation will be bad. I just can't picture Nintendo doing that, though I do think combat against the GF would be interesting for a change if it isn't overused.
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1upD wrote:-The Federation has put out a warrant for Samus' arrest


When did this happen?

Isn't it...Oh shoot, you're right. It didn't. I'll edit that. It's sort of implied by the ending of Fusion that the Federation would be hostile towards Samus because of what she did on the BSL. I guess we were never explicitly told they wanted to arrest her, but I think we can infer that.

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Aiddon » 05.28.12 1:01pm

My idea would be like this (though forgive me if I'm going way too into fanwanky territory here, which I try to avoid):

-Takes place some time after Fusion, probably a year or two

-Samus and Adam have gone into hiding due to the BSL incident and another bounty hunter has been hired by the Federation to find them.

-He finds them either hiding out in a colony or some place where she has friends (like Aether)

-He says Samus will be acquitted of the BSL incident if she helps deal with a huge threat over the horizon: the Kriken Empire has launched a full-scale war on Federation space (rumors being that they also have a faction of the Space Pirates working for them). He also explains that the Federation is still trying to figure out who's been trying to use Metroids as weapons to no avail.

-Both Samus and the Bounty Hunter will be played, both with slightly different skill sets (her partner being more melee-focused). Over the course of the game Samus will interact with other Bounty Hunter NPC's as well on different worlds. She will also have to get her abilities back as for some reason the abilities gained from he BSL incident went into remission. Adam thinks it might have to do with Samus' now partially-Metroid DNA, meaning she's evolving like a Metroid does.

-Samus comes off slightly more bitter towards the Federation, though still tries to do the right thing by helping those in need.

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Thunderchin » 06.15.12 9:59am

I've had a possible idea for the next Metroid game. You can read it (and all the evolutions it's undergone) here.

I will, however, note that you guys have some similar ideas as my own.
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Metroids 4 Breakfast » 06.18.12 8:08am

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RinoaFantasy wrote:Call me boring and unoriginal, but I'd love to see Super Metroid 3D. OMG a 3D Zebes game? *nerdgasm* That probably won't happen, but a woman can dream right? :awesome:

As for feeling down about the series and it going flat for another 8 years, keep in mind that while Super Metroid was well recieved by whoever played it, the sales were still bad because it came out on the wrong platform at the wrong time. In 1994 the 64 was underway and SNES had pretty much run it's course. I'm thinking Super Mario RPG (1996) had the same problem. Anyways, after an 8 year hiatus, we get PRIME, which I thought was fantastic and it was the top selling game above Mario and Zelda at the time. Of course we also got Fusion which I think is a fun game but it wasn't very well received either at first. Two years later we got Zero Mission (and Prime 2). I think if Metroid went flat for a while they may come up with something brilliant. I personally enjoyed Other M very much but it just falls short of Prime. I believe they will deliver once again, be it next year or 2020.


Funny thing is i am a 3d modeller/ animator and at a point in time i was working on animation for a project that was suposed to be a complete super metroid rebuild in 3d.

Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do! :)


Yeah, sure you did! If you did, then what was the platform?
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby HYRUL3 » 06.18.12 10:16am

Aiddon wrote:-He says Samus will be acquitted of the BSL incident if she helps deal with a huge threat over the horizon.


I had a similar idea, which is in another topic, however mine would involve Sylux gathering enemies, including the Kriken and the shambles of the Space Pirates, and Samus being tasked with hunting him down.
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby 1upD » 06.18.12 2:52pm

Metroids 4 Breakfast wrote:
Plasma Beam wrote:
RinoaFantasy wrote:Call me boring and unoriginal, but I'd love to see Super Metroid 3D. OMG a 3D Zebes game? *nerdgasm* That probably won't happen, but a woman can dream right? :awesome:

As for feeling down about the series and it going flat for another 8 years, keep in mind that while Super Metroid was well recieved by whoever played it, the sales were still bad because it came out on the wrong platform at the wrong time. In 1994 the 64 was underway and SNES had pretty much run it's course. I'm thinking Super Mario RPG (1996) had the same problem. Anyways, after an 8 year hiatus, we get PRIME, which I thought was fantastic and it was the top selling game above Mario and Zelda at the time. Of course we also got Fusion which I think is a fun game but it wasn't very well received either at first. Two years later we got Zero Mission (and Prime 2). I think if Metroid went flat for a while they may come up with something brilliant. I personally enjoyed Other M very much but it just falls short of Prime. I believe they will deliver once again, be it next year or 2020.


Funny thing is i am a 3d modeller/ animator and at a point in time i was working on animation for a project that was suposed to be a complete super metroid rebuild in 3d.

Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do! :)


Yeah, sure you did! If you did, then what was the platform?

Huh? I'm pretty sure she means a fan project. You don't need to get angry about it.

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Aiddon wrote:-He says Samus will be acquitted of the BSL incident if she helps deal with a huge threat over the horizon.


I had a similar idea, which is in another topic, however mine would involve Sylux gathering enemies, including the Kriken and the shambles of the Space Pirates, and Samus being tasked with hunting him down.

Eh... That sounds sort of fanfiction-y to me. Then again, I can completely see Sylux assisting the Kriken in order to bring down the Federation. Also, I'd love to see both of them again.

According to Other M, there are no remaining shambles of the Space Pirates. I'm not sure if people will accept that or not.

In general I'm not a fan of Samus taking a mission as a plea bargain so the Federation will acquit her. It sounds too much like a spy movie and too much like Samus taking suicidal orders without question again. I actually liked Other M, but I understand peoples' complaints and I think going down that path again would be a disaster. I think we need some sort of actual conflict between Samus and the Federation, but it doesn't necessarily mean she has to fight human soldiers.

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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby Thunderchin » 06.18.12 2:56pm

1upD wrote:In general I'm not a fan of Samus taking a mission as a plea bargain so the Federation will acquit her. It sounds too much like a spy movie and too much like Samus taking suicidal orders without question again. I actually liked Other M, but I understand peoples' complaints and I think going down that path again would be a disaster. I think we need some sort of actual conflict between Samus and the Federation, but it doesn't necessarily mean she has to fight human soldiers.
Read mine. In the idea I linked, Samus doesn't take a mission as a plea bargain per se. I was thinking the exact same thing you said in the quote above when I decided Samus would win the faith of Federation personnel, and their later testimony would acquit Samus.
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Re: Possible idea for next metroid game.

Postby 1upD » 06.18.12 3:20pm

Thunderchin wrote:
1upD wrote:In general I'm not a fan of Samus taking a mission as a plea bargain so the Federation will acquit her. It sounds too much like a spy movie and too much like Samus taking suicidal orders without question again. I actually liked Other M, but I understand peoples' complaints and I think going down that path again would be a disaster. I think we need some sort of actual conflict between Samus and the Federation, but it doesn't necessarily mean she has to fight human soldiers.
Read mine. In the idea I linked, Samus doesn't take a mission as a plea bargain per se. I was thinking the exact same thing you said in the quote above when I decided Samus would win the faith of Federation personnel, and their later testimony would acquit Samus.


I had skimmed through it, but now I took the time to read through it again. I actually really like it and hope something similar becomes Metroid Dread. I liked the Federation 'Warmongers' as well. Let me guess: Sylux was a Warmonger? My only complaint on that side story is that Anthony Higgs seems very out of place as the leader of the Warmongers. He's already taken a stand against the Colonel, I doubt they'd want him for that. Still, if he says "Remember me?" when he reveals himself then I'm sold.

That said, I still think Samus' return to the Federation is much too easy. I will be very disappointed if this conflict which has been foreshadowed for a long time is just hand-waved away. Anthony Higgs used his rank to protect her? What is he now, the commander in chief!? You're talking about a walking vault of critical military weapons research who is also a wanted terrorist that destroyed a planet and it's extensive peaceful research center! Nobody's "rank" can protect her.

I think that the shadowy figure from Metroid Fusion, the "ringleader" from Metroid Fusion, needs to become a major plot point at some time in the continuation of the series. The Federation isn't just misguided in their judgement of Samus; someone or a group of conspirators is actively working against her. Before she goes back to the Federation, we need to know why and they have to be stopped.

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