On Phantoon and the wrecked ship

[Dryn]

I like that Japanese understanding of Phantoon more than I do the English version of the Super Metroid manual. It just makes Phantoon and Mother Brain so much more badass.

[Metroids 4 Breakfast]

sorry bowsersenemy, but you should have made the post in this already-established topic.

It's obvious that the devs of Super didn't really think that far into the origins of this boss (well, maybe at least not until Other M) but I always thought that MB's extreme telepathic powers were able to bypass any creature's mind. It's not too hard to think that Phantoon succumbed to the will of MB. Draygon could have very well been a Zebes-native, but Phantoon came along on the Wrecked Ship, and MB took advantage. Who knows, she could have been using Phantoon as a way to route whatever power was left on that ship to fuel her own evil plans.

I personally don't listen to any part of the storyline during or with Other M. Therefore, I believe Phantoon is basicly MB.

[LuigiandMetroidfan20]

I personally don't listen to any part of the storyline during or with Other M. Therefore, I believe Phantoon is basicly MB.

Storywise, Other M is only really good for filling in some details about certain things in Fusion (Ridley carcass anyone?), providing some form of "official" death for Adam (there's a remote possibility he still lives, though I doubt it), and introducing Anthony Higgs (a possible candidate for the person who "...will understand."

Funny enough, there is absolutely nothing in Other M's story stating or remotely implying why Phantoon even showed up or why he was still alive. Absolutely NOTHING. I could be wrong though. Anyone willing to correct me if I'm wrong?

[Emperor Ing]

Nah. Phantoon is cool. He probably goes around picking fights to show everyone how much of a badass he is.

I mean, his record is an impressive 504-2.

[Rtype112000]

I was actually under the impression that the GF managed to clone phantoon from the bits of him that might have been left on Samus' suit after they made contact and she forced him to retreat, just like with Ridley and the metroids.

[Emperor Ing]

How did a ghost that phased out of existence leave DNA on Samus??

[Rtype112000]

How did a ghost that phased out of existence leave DNA on Samus??

Lol, ectoplasm! But, is he really a ghost, or an interdimensional being that is summoned by intense hatred?

[Press Start, Go Left]

How did a ghost that phased out of existence leave DNA on Samus??

Eyeball goo.

I'd rather the 'it left DNA on Samus after her fight with it in Super' not be used for Phantoon coming back in Other M. It was okay for the Metroids, Ridley being brought back the same way was pushing it, Phantoon as well would be going too far.

[Rtype112000]

How did a ghost that phased out of existence leave DNA on Samus??

Eyeball goo.

I'd rather the 'it left DNA on Samus after her fight with it in Super' not be used for Phantoon coming back in Other M. It was okay for the Metroids, Ridley being brought back the same way was pushing it, Phantoon as well would be going too far.

Yeah, I agree. Although, at first, I thought that the idea behind him coming back in Other M was that he was cloned. I really like what CapCom said, that he was summoned from another dimension by the intense level of maliciousness or hatred given off by MB.

[Rtype112000]

I was thinking about this today, the wrecked ship is a Chozo ship. First of all, it has the same helper/assist robots that we see the Chozo using to train Samus in the manga, but the biggest most obvious reason, is that it has a Chozo statue inside, as well as the gravity suit upgrade, which is hidden away deep inside the ship. Obviously the pirate ship wouldn't have Chozo technology on it, let alone an upgrade for Samus' suit.

My theory:
The Chozo were watching Samus when she returned to Zebes to stop Mother Brain(in the first game), and realized that she didn't quite finish the job, because Mother Brain had a backup system deep inside the planet. Realizing that Samus would need to be able to move easily through water to unlock the new security system that mother brain installed, they developed the gravity suit, and locked it away inside a ship that they launched for Samus to find later on Zebes. They either launched this ship unmanned and guided by the robots, to land on Zebes, or with a skeleton crew. When it reached Zebes, it either crashed into the planet or the pirates shot it down, killing the crew. Now, obviously mother brain is aware that this ship crashed on her planet, so she investigates, upon discovering that the ship is Chozo in origin and scanning to find upgrades for Samus' suit, she send Phantoon in the disable the ship's power thus preventing Samus from being able to reach the upgrades that would prove to be fatal to mother brain.

Of course by this point mother brain has already dominated Phantoon, so he has to do her bidding. As for a time period of when the ship crashed on Zebes, it would obviously have to be between metroid 1 and 3. It had to be after metroid/MZM, because the ship is not there during these games, and in SM it takes the place of Chozodia, so I am assuming it landed in the Chozodia area, thus blocking access to the ruins. We can also tell that the ship hasn't been on the planet for very long because it is still in very good shape, without any vegetation growing inside, and only a few of the native animal life from the planet have found their way inside.

The ghosts inside the ship could be the dead crew, or extensions of Phantoon...

Anybody agree/disagree?

[Daya]

It has been stated in Phantoon's concept art in Other M that the wrecked ship is the ship the chozo used to travel to Zebes.

With that said, I don't think anyone could disagree.

[Rtype112000]

Lol, ahah! I did not know that... I feel a little rediculous now. Lol, oh well.

Then how about my theory as far as the story goes? Do you think the chozo sent it specifically to aid Samus, by supplying her with the gravity suit, after metroid 1?

[Insomniac By Choice]

Interdimensional chaos demon thing. Attached to the ship and gained a physical existence when humanity engaged in primitive faster than light travel, ending up near Zebes. Weakened when the ship's crew managed to crash the ship to stop the evil presence from going anywhere else. Chozo use their spiritual technology to trap him further, until they're forced to flee the planet, and Mother Brain's psychic energy gradually strengthens it enough to have a physical existence again.

That's built entirely on this description:
"Long ago, astronauts from an ancient civilization crash landed on Zebes. This is what remains of their ship."

And the fact that 'Event Horizon' is a marvelous concept for a sci-fi horror. But this also explains why the coven 'ghosts' appear to be human heads.

[HYRUL3]

Interdimensional chaos demon thing. Attached to the ship and gained a physical existence when humanity engaged in primitive faster than light travel, ending up near Zebes. Weakened when the ship's crew managed to crash the ship to stop the evil presence from going anywhere else. Chozo use their spiritual technology to trap him further, until they're forced to flee the planet, and Mother Brain's psychic energy gradually strengthens it enough to have a physical existence again.

That's built entirely on this description:
"Long ago, astronauts from an ancient civilization crash landed on Zebes. This is what remains of their ship."

And the fact that 'Event Horizon' is a marvelous concept for a sci-fi horror. But this also explains why the coven 'ghosts' appear to be human heads.

It sounds interesting, but as for the ship, I will direct you to Daya's quote:

It has been stated in Phantoon's concept art in Other M that the wrecked ship is the ship the chozo used to travel to Zebes.

With that said, I don't think anyone could disagree.

[Insomniac By Choice]

It sounds interesting, but as for the ship, I will direct you to Daya's quote:

It has been stated in Phantoon's concept art in Other M that the wrecked ship is the ship the chozo used to travel to Zebes.

With that said, I don't think anyone could disagree.

Oh, it's totally wrong now and probably the original intention, I just always made that connection playing the game because they looked like people, you know.