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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby TheBlackCat » 01.22.11 4:51pm

Thunderchin wrote:The Zero Suit basically acts as an interface between Samus' central nervous system and the suit. I think it stores its upgrades as energy in capacitors within the Zero Suit (which explains why Samus kept her Energy Tanks at the end of Zero Mission.) These capacitors are basically storage when in Zero Suit, and Energy Tanks when the suit is in operation.

But she doesn't need the Zero Suit at all in Super Metroid.

Thunderchin wrote:Metroid Tech Discussion was correct that the pieces of the suit are already there, or require slight additions, but the weapons DATA allows the suit to correctly utilize them. This explains why it takes a "Fully Powered" suit in order to use certain upgrades, because these suits have the correct parts in them to utilize the data.

I don't agree with this. For one thing, there is no reason to design a suit this way. If the pieces are there, there isn't any any reason not to be able to use them. Second, the fact that in Prime 2 enemies are able to steal and make use of parts of her suit goes against this idea. There is also the issue with the end of Fusion, where Samus is able to use a weapon that would have been lethal to her before. If she had all the components before it wouldn't have been lethal.

The incompatibility of certain parts could simply be explained by certain parts depending on certain others parts that are not present in some versions of the suit (like how you can't use an AGP graphics card in a motherboard that only has PCI slots).

Thunderchin wrote:One area I have questions about is Morph Ball. Obviously these capacitors can be used in reverse, to dematerialize Samus and condense the armor into a sphere.

The suit almost certainly does not use capacitors for anything besides the beam, speed booster, jump, or boost ball. Capacitors leak over time, so they are not a good method for long-term storage of energy. They are useful for building up energy over time and discharging it quickly, and for smoothing fluctuations in current, but they are not suitable for storing power indefinitely like the tanks do. I do not think Samus would be very happy about slowly fading away the longer she uses the morph ball. Further, they only work with electrical energy, and I do not see any reason to think that Samus is converted to electricity in Morph Ball mode.

Thunderchin wrote:Pickups, and the ability of Samus to use the energy from the particles of the disintegrated Metroid at the end of Super/beginning of Other M, indicates that the skin of the suit itself can act as a superconductor to introduce outside energies.

It wouldn't require a superconductor, or necessarily even an electrical conductor. Item drops are certainly in the form of some sort of energy, but it doesn't appear to have the properties normally associated with electrical charges. On the contrary, if it was a superconductor Samus would not suffer electrical damage when using the grapple beam trick on Draygon.

Thunderchin wrote:This acts in reverse to operate the repulsors in Space Jump (spin is basically just a propeller to keep forward motion), the electromagnetic field in Screw Attack,

I don't see any reason to conclude there are repulsors in the Space Jump. I think it is much more likely that the space jump involves carefully-timed bursts from her shoulder thrusters which are then shaped and amplified by the vortex of wind created by the rapid spinning. The spinning is used even when she is climbing vertically with no forward motion, so it must have some role. Further, capacitors wouldn't really help with repulsors, which would require manipulating gravity not electricity.

Thunderchin wrote:and this same system of energy management can also redirect internal power (such as in Concentration, when power from the Charge Beam is condensed into Missiles and the remainder is pumped into the Energy Tanks.)

The problem with this is that there would be no need to have different Missile, Super Missile, Power Bomb, and Energy tanks, since they are all the same thing. There must be some sort of distinct difference between the different items in order for this to work. If it was all just capacitors then there would only be one type of tank necessary.

Thunderchin wrote:Theoretically speaking, Samus should be able to absorb heat and use it as energy to her advantage. This is probably how the Gravity Suit handles Lava.

Superconductors only conduct electrical energy efficiently (they actually shield magnetic fields and are not especially good thermal conductors), and they don't allow you to violate the second law of thermodynamics like this.

As for the gravity suit, it is clear from the battle with Nightmare the gravity suit alters gravitational fields. How this helps underwater I don't know, but I always figured the suit used a gravitational field to trap a thin bubble of air around Samus's suit.
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Varia Suit » 06.15.11 10:48am

Smoking Spoon wrote:Omg.. look carefully , it's an X :X: infestation, run away Samus !

If it were :X: I think we would see the clone around, there are Metroids. Soooo... Probably an early Gfed suit. :samus:
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Hybrinoid » 07.18.11 12:08pm

Well, here's some interesting tidbits about the body from Wikitroid:

Unidentified Miscellaneous Subject 8 is a corpse seen outside Kraid's room in Super Metroid. It rather resembles a Federation Marine (though the shoulders seem to be similar to Weavel's) and appears to be leaking a yellow liquid (possibly yellow blood or a result of decomposition). Sbugs can be seen feeding on the corpse, and they will scatter when Samus comes near. This body's purpose is unknown and has prompted much speculation as to who it is and why it is there. It may have been killed by Kraid or the Gadora right next to it, as it looks like in death it was thrown back against the short wall, indicating that something from the direction of the Gadora killed it.

In the code of Super Metroid, the corpse is a set of five tiles.

The corpse is notable for being the location that Samus can encounter the Sbugs over and over, as opposed to them not returning after scattering. The meal is apparently too good for this swarm of Sbugs to pass up for long.

If the yellow substance found pouring out of the body is indeed blood, than it is possible that this is because his species possesses a high concentration of vanabin in their blood, which is a yellow, vanadium-based pigment, like Earth's sea cucumbers possess. If this happens to be so, however, then it is likely not involved in oxygen transportation and may instead indicate a natural toxicity.

Another potential blood type would be iridium-based blood. However, this would indicate that there is a lack of oxygen in the room and therefore unlikely (although the yellow "blood" does appear as a more orangish tint than Samus' Power Suit coloration). Also, the dead individual would have had to have died within days as iridium-based blood would be highly photosensitive and would degrade from orange (its oxygenated color) to green before finally reaching a deep bluish-black. As the compound would take one atom of oxygen per molecule to change from its deoxygenated yellow state to a sullen orange, the reaction is not quite as quickly as, say, cobalt complexes, thereby meaning the corpse would have to possess a more convoluted lung system than any Human would be accustomed to.

The yellow fluid may also be some form of residue from the Gadora's attack - the exact composition of the projectiles the creatures produce is unknown.

This body may be a homage to the infamous Space Jockey from the original Alien film, the series which inspired Metroid greatly.

The visible shoulder resembles a Poké Ball.

The body has a suit similiar to the Power suit.

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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Wolf_22 » 11.20.11 10:16pm

I was always under the assumption that the body was that of "Armstrong Houston" (which would explain the people thinking that it was a blue suit)? If not this guy (more about him here: http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Armstrong_Houston) then I guess it would be some random person... Those things that are crawling over it supposedly eat rotting flesh, so it can't be assumed that it has been there "for years on end" or whatever. In any event, it was something I always wondered, too... Very interesting. :)

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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Infinity's End » 11.21.11 5:09pm

Wolf_22 wrote:I was always under the assumption that the body was that of "Armstrong Houston" (which would explain the people thinking that it was a blue suit)? If not this guy (more about him here: http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Armstrong_Houston) then I guess it would be some random person... Those things that are crawling over it supposedly eat rotting flesh, so it can't be assumed that it has been there "for years on end" or whatever. In any event, it was something I always wondered, too... Very interesting. :)


Wow, you seriously, completely missed our Armstrong Houston smiley? :AH:
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Armstrong Houston » 11.21.11 5:11pm

Yeah dude... the people on this board are quite familiar with who I am. :AH:
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Dark Samus Aran » 07.08.12 3:35pm

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I think its just a random Hunter, but its still one of those things that stands out as very unusual. It could be a Chozo suit though, its slumped in a similar pose to a Chozo statue.


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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Daya » 07.08.12 4:05pm

I'm going to say he is just here as a direct reference to Alien's Space Jockey (If the chozo statues weren't)

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Or Pirate bounty hunting was still running during SM's events, has heard about Ceres' incident, and this is a random bounty hunter who has failed to claim his reward.
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Emperor Ing » 07.08.12 5:48pm

MDB is the biggest, most-comprehensive Armstrong Houston resource on the internet. That's reason enough to come here.
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Dryn » 07.10.12 12:22am

AlphonseDaya wrote:I'm going to say he is just here as a direct reference to Alien's Space Jockey (If the chozo statues weren't)


I think the Chozo make sense.

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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Chozo Guardian » 08.19.12 9:40am

Faybro wrote:Image

Who is this? This has always bugged me. It looks like the same armour Samus uses, so I'm guessing it was a Chozo, which would also explain it's presence. But... It's just so easily forgotten by Nintendo. Does anybody have ideas as to who it is?

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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby Plasma » 08.19.12 3:18pm

It's probably just a Galactic Federation soldier or some other soldier who encountered a powerful creature, failed to beat thus melted into a yellowish liquid.

Well...he tried :umad:

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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby rondus18 » 08.19.12 5:43pm

As far as I'm concerned he's Private Sherman Wolowicz and that's all I need to know.
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby HYRUL3 » 08.19.12 7:05pm

rondus18 wrote:As far as I'm concerned he's Private Sherman Wolowicz and that's all I need to know.


^Canon answer. I heard it from my friend, who's cousin's dad's sister in law's boyfriend worked for Nintendo in the 90s. I heard it on the playground. Old school.
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Re: Will they ever tell us?

Postby mksbf » 10.24.12 9:57am

Chozo Guardian wrote:
Faybro wrote:Image

Who is this? This has always bugged me. It looks like the same armour Samus uses, so I'm guessing it was a Chozo, which would also explain it's presence. But... It's just so easily forgotten by Nintendo. Does anybody have ideas as to who it is?

inb4ArmstrongHouston


It's a GF Marine, DUH!!!!!!!!! :geemer:


Personally, I think it's Weavel:
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