The world needs Metroid 5

[Thunderchin]

Maybe the Metroids can't use any abilities they absorb. Hell, maybe they couldn't use any abilities because they weren't found in nature.

The only reason Samus was able to absorb her powers back was because 1.) Her suit has the hardware necessary to utilize those abilities, unlike the bodies of Metroids, and 2.) Her abilities were stolen by the X. The X therefore had those abilities in their "pool" of absorbed data, allowing Samus to easily recover the data.

My personal theory of course, but Samus has the hardware to run the ability data, whereas Metroids just metabolize the data container. Many X don't have the data so Samus just metabolizes them for suit power and ammunition. But the ones that do, Samus copies the data into her suit's neural-net (reconfiguring the suit hardware, thus gaining another ability), and then absorbs that X for power/ammo.

[okey]

It's strange how there are so many metroid games, and yet, they all share almost identical upgrades. Metroid V should definitely add a few new additions to the metroid armory, but I'm having trouble coming up with weapons that would work as good replacements/additions to Samus' already-impressive and virtually all-purpose loadout

Any ideas?

One thing they could try is to base new items off of real life technology. Take something that's a decade from being practical, amp it up to 11 and stick it in the suit.

But really you said it yourself. All the bases are covered. Even the new weapons in Prime 2 felt like reskins. Maybe coming up with new ways to use the old stuff is the way to go.

[Culaio]

Maybe the Metroids can't use any abilities they absorb. Hell, maybe they couldn't use any abilities because they weren't found in nature.

Interesting theory it answers few of questions, but there are still few of them unanswered for example why metriods can absorb abilities(data including DNA) if they can't use it ?
I see two possibilities:
1)metriods were supposed to collected data for chozo - chozo could want to know what x parasites absorbed/copied, for example dna of animal that became extinct because of x parasites, so the could recreate species.

and/or

2)metroids use data(DNA) for their evolution/mutation - even though metroids can't use data(abilities) directly maybe they use parts of data that is compatible with them for their evolution/mutation

The only reason Samus was able to absorb her powers back was because 1.) Her suit has the hardware necessary to utilize those abilities, unlike the bodies of Metroids, and 2.) Her abilities were stolen by the X. The X therefore had those abilities in their "pool" of absorbed data, allowing Samus to easily recover the data.

My personal theory of course, but Samus has the hardware to run the ability data, whereas Metroids just metabolize the data container. Many X don't have the data so Samus just metabolizes them for suit power and ammunition. But the ones that do, Samus copies the data into her suit's neural-net (reconfiguring the suit hardware, thus gaining another ability), and then absorbs that X for power/ammo.

You are probably right about that, but I wonder how the suits computer "selects" data as useful ? what I mean is that x parasites were capable of "downloading" data from station computers, with means that some x parasites should have data about Metroid breeding program, by absorbing x parasites samus should find about it sooner, of course it's possible that Galactic Federation did something to her suit's computer to prevent samus from getting that data.

I am also wondering "how" exactly samus DNA was changed when she absorbed SA-X core ? I see two possibilities:
1)samus suit has access to her DNA(can manipulate it),I think that this option is too dangerous because suit's computer can malfunction or get infected with a virus.

or

2)Samus body absorbed SA-X core directly with changed her body and the suit was changed through neural-net, it implies that all x parasites are absorbed by samus body instead of her suit(but doesn't confirm it because SA-X core could be unique case).


If metroids use data collected to evolve/mutate than samus(and her suit) also could evolve/mutate in the future .

ps.sorry for bad english

[Lynxclaw]

While I find it interesting that so many fans pay so much attention to the story and/or come up with new weapons or settings; let me give you my point of view:

I don't mean to sound elitist or like a grumpy old timer but here's what I feel about the future of Metroid;

What appealed to me back when I got the chance to try out Metroid for the NES for the first time was a multitude of things, namely:

* It's creepy sci-fi setting
* Exploration deluxe, no one telling me where to go or what to do.
* It doesn't try to be realistic (200+ ballistic missiles, labyrinthine layout etc)

When Super Metroid came out, I personally had found perfection in a mere 'game'. This game means a lot to me and even though most blue suits consider it obsolete there are still things from Super Metroid that can be applied to modern game making. One thing that bothers me in modern games is that the designer or the players seem to have the need to experience things but never explore. Sometimes modern games feel like rail shooters where you are led from point A to point B while experiencing some very cool scenes. That is nice and all - for a movie. I want a game. I want to explore a world. I don't want my hand held throughout the game. I want to discover its secrets by myself. True, Super Metroid is very linear, at least the first half of it, though it can be broken by an experienced player. Many later Metroid games cannot. Most other modern games lead you from - as I said earlier - point A to point B holding your hand for the ride.

I am not saying that people playing these games aren't true gamers or anything. These games still take a lot of skill to master. What I am screaming for is what made Metroid unique from the beginning. To be able to control the pace of the game on your own. So what if it's a dead end, I had a chance to be able to find out - on my own. That creates depth to me. Wishing for a true 2D sequel will probably never happen. A 2.5D might happen. I don't mind the latest outings engine, it could be updated to pull off some really neat things - if done correctly and via 2 axis of movement only

So I wish for a game where exploration, isolation and perfect controls are key points and where the story is implied not shoved in your face. I do applaud Nintendo for being brave and green-lighting the Primes, that other Metroid game but in a world full of games that are full of NPCs, full of objectives that must be completed (and those games do it really well, Halo anyone?) but back to the roots, back to what was unique about the Metroid games in the first place.

Exploration and isolation.

[Death Recon]

What would you say if I told you that I had begun modeling a possible concept for a Metroid-style city?

[doc O. Mire]

What would you say if I told you that I had begun modeling a possible concept for a Metroid-style city?

2 things actually:

1) Awesome
2) Can you post it when it's finished?

[newhenpal]

I just really, really, really hope that 5, like all the other numbered sequels, is in 2D. And no, not 2.5D either. Nothing against 2.5D games, I happen to like Shadow Complex and Donkey Kong Country Returns, but I prefer traditional 2D more. Plus, making Metroid 5 like this and for the Wii U would really bring home the fact that it's a sequel; not an interquel, not a spin-off, not a Smash Bros. game, but a true sequel.

[Thunderchin]

One thing they could try is to base new items off of real life technology. Take something that's a decade from being practical, amp it up to 11 and stick it in the suit.

Remember that "Thrust Vectoring" Space Jump replacement you proposed a while ago?

I am all for that and other uses of real life technology. It makes for greater realism IMHO (making for harder sci-fi). Harder sci-fi is better, again IMHO...

[doc O. Mire]

I just really, really, really hope that 5, like all the other numbered sequels, is in 2D. And no, not 2.5D either. Nothing against 2.5D games, I happen to like Shadow Complex and Donkey Kong Country Returns, but I prefer traditional 2D more. Plus, making Metroid 5 like this and for the Wii U would really bring home the fact that it's a sequel; not an interquel, not a spin-off, not a Smash Bros. game, but a true sequel.

Well, if they could make a vanillaware-esque metroid, that'd be incredible

[metroidfan345]

this idea may sound a little bad but what if we made it like they did Earthbound. i think it would be pretty cool. like maybe instead of Psi powers put all the different beams and stuff. i dunno what do you think.

[kadosho]

If there was to be a Metroid V..
- Let it be open exploration, and we can acquire maps by clearing key areas.
(sub-missions) that take Samus across terrains

- Elemental abilities, since we are able to absorb energy in unique ways.
(we are not limited to Samus being human anymore)

- Not only one planet, but several we are able to travel across.
(perhaps systems that were terrorized by space pirates, or a new enemy)

- A leveling up system, if the suit now has its own identity let it also gain experience just like Samus
(upgrades are optional, and power-ups are default and can be mixed with the new system of elemental powers)

- In game story should be new, we don't need to revisit old terrain anymore. It should be a fresh experience that will branch out from the past, and present. (but not overkill, or over-dramatizing)

[Death Recon]

2 things actually:

1) Awesome
2) Can you post it when it's finished?

[doc O. Mire]

I kinda had an odd idea today: why-not continue some of the things done in Other M? Although the style with which the gameplay and especially the story were done were highly questionable, there were several interesting ideas I hope they don't give up on exploring just because the way they handled them didn't work so well.

2 specific things that it would be interesting to see return would be having a few "guest characters" supporting Samus and having her be a little bit more introspective and showing inner turmoil. The reason "guest characters" is in quotations is because they wouldn't be real characters, they'd be manifestations of Samus' psyche

Perhaps someone who's played Mother 3 (probably not many since it was only in Japan) would remember a particular scene involving a hallucinogenic trip through a strange forest. In the forest, everywhere you looked, there were old friends, a few of whom were dead or missing. Going through this section gave the player a chance to see what Lucas was going through WITHOUT having page after page of text. Just little blurbs let the player see how scarred the protagonist was by his brother's disappearance, or by his father's rage boiling just beneath the surface after a tragedy near the beginning of the game.

Samus could have something similar, like her being attacked by some sort of creature that, thanks to one of her many painful memories, takes the shape in her mind of the baby metroid , Anthony , Adam or one of the countless others. As long as Samus was shown in a more mature way than in Other M, such a thing could be used to great effect.

Wow, this is becoming a long post. Sorry, but thanks if you actually read that behemoth

Edit: Oh, and also feel free to comment on any of my posts if they seem unclear or in-cohesive, I'm trying to work on writing and communicating ideas more effectively

[okey]

That could be really interesting if pulled off well but honestly I don't trust with any story more complicated than 'go fight the bad guys'.

[RoyboyX]

Wow, this is becoming a long post. Sorry, but thanks if you actually read that behemoth

Guy, that is nothing compared to some of my posts, like my rant further back in this thread.

Also, like that city design, if it were just fleshed out a bit more and expanded when you get the chance, it'd be the perfecto city for troid'.