What if Samus was shoved in another fandom?

[Redwing]

Actually, thinking about this some more, Sauron was physically vulnerable to some extent even while wearing the Ring. After all, Isildur got the ring by cutting off Sauron's finger with the broken hilt end of Narsil. So, physically at least, Sauron might not be more difficult for Samus to defeat directly than one of the harder Metroid bosses. At least, under similar circumstances -- whether he would be so vulnerable if he were in the seat of his power rather than the open battlefield is another question.

In earlier periods (before the making of the Ring) he could also be more easily defeated.

I think at this point, this deserves a split topic.

Anyways, I'm still not convinced that the telepathic forces of even an Earthly demigod could overcome the Chozo's technology, and I also believe that the Power Suit contains telepathic shielding technologies. After all, the Chozo are telepathic beings, and it seems likely that they could use this to their advantage on the battlefield. In some of Asimov's books, entire wars are won based on telepathic ability to 'break' an opponent. This mechanic also works in reverse, so I imagine that the reason we don't see Ridley or other powerful telepathic beings destroying the suit with such energy alone is because the Chozo have guarded against it. Once both sides have sufficient shielding to muffle any naturally possible telepathic energy, the telepathic battlefield is moot and the physical once again regains importance. Enter the "modern" Metroid era, a few millenia after what I imagine would be an age of almost entirely telepathic warfare amongst advanced species. Just my own fannon, of course.

One theory I could see for the Ring being able to control Samus would be if it could somehow bypass the shielding as an innocuous message (or Samus willingly lets it in herself), and then affects Samus to the degree that she willfully allows its telepathic influence due to the same powerlust which would affect any other mortal. Given Sauron's cleverness, the former might be possible, yet I fail to see how the Chozo would not have encountered such a trick before. The latter is more likely; Samus' human curiosity causes her downfall.

Also, Emperor Ing, I am starting to love you too. Hope you're ok with that.

[mental]

So, I think it is entirely possible that Samus (particularly if she possessed the Ring) might be able to defeat Sauron in direct combat, but it's extremely unlikely that she would be able to relinquish or destroy the Ring afterwards, particularly if she had possessed it for some time beforehand. Unlike Gandalf or Galadriel (but like Isildur) she would lack the capacity to assume Sauron's total power for herself; he would not be permanently overthrown.

Having defeated Sauron, she would likely displace the Numenorian dynasty and set herself up as a ruler (benevolent at first), gradually becoming more malevolent and wraithlike, until finally Sauron reformed and came to dominate her will by degrees (assuming the Ring didn't betray her and get her killed in the interim like it did both Isildur and Deagol). At that point she would probably become and remain Sauron's permanent prisoner and/or slave. Having the Ring taken from her by force would probably also break whatever was left of her mind at that point.

One theory I could see for the Ring being able to control Samus would be if it could somehow bypass the shielding as an innocuous message (or Samus willingly lets it in herself), and then affects Samus to the degree that she willfully allows its telepathic influence due to the same powerlust which would affect any other mortal.

That's the thing, though, the Ring's manipulation in the books is indirect and psychological/spiritual. It is as much about what it is as what it does. I'm not really convinced there are technological countermeasures.

Actually, thinking about this some more, Sauron was physically vulnerable to some extent even while wearing the Ring. After all, Isildur got the ring by cutting off Sauron's finger with the broken hilt end of Narsil. So, physically at least, Sauron might not be more difficult for Samus to defeat directly than one of the harder Metroid bosses. At least, under similar circumstances -- whether he would be so vulnerable if he were in the seat of his power rather than the open battlefield is another question.

In earlier periods (before the making of the Ring) he could also be more easily defeated.

I think at this point, this deserves a split topic.

Anyways, I'm still not convinced that the telepathic forces of even an Earthly demigod could overcome the Chozo's technology, and I also believe that the Power Suit contains telepathic shielding technologies. After all, the Chozo are telepathic beings, and it seems likely that they could use this to their advantage on the battlefield. In some of Asimov's books, entire wars are won based on telepathic ability to 'break' an opponent. This mechanic also works in reverse, so I imagine that the reason we don't see Ridley or other powerful telepathic beings destroying the suit with such energy alone is because the Chozo have guarded against it. Once both sides have sufficient shielding to muffle any naturally possible telepathic energy, the telepathic battlefield is moot and the physical once again regains importance. Enter the "modern" Metroid era, a few millenia after what I imagine would be an age of almost entirely telepathic warfare amongst advanced species. Just my own fannon, of course.

One theory I could see for the Ring being able to control Samus would be if it could somehow bypass the shielding as an innocuous message (or Samus willingly lets it in herself), and then affects Samus to the degree that she willfully allows its telepathic influence due to the same powerlust which would affect any other mortal. Given Sauron's cleverness, the former might be possible, yet I fail to see how the Chozo would not have encountered such a trick before. The latter is more likely; Samus' human curiosity causes her downfall.

Also, Emperor Ing, I am starting to love you too. Hope you're ok with that.

It comes down to technology versus magic. Which is one of the many reasons why I hate crossovers. Different fictional universes have different rules, and trying to put them both on an "even ground" is impossible.

[mental]

It comes down to technology versus magic. Which is one of the many reasons why I hate crossovers. Different fictional universes have different rules, and trying to put them both on an "even ground" is impossible.

Interestingly, this specific case seems easier to reconcile than many. Tolkien's understanding of magic encompasses technology: the magic of the elves (which is artistic/creative), versus the magic of Sauron/the fallen Saruman (which is explicitly technological/dominating). The natural/supernatural distinction wasn't quite as important to him.

Also, we can start to draw direct correspondences between elements of the Metroid and LOTR universe: for example, Wraithspace versus the dimension/plane the Chozo ghosts inhabit.

[Steamlord]

Imagine a cross between the Ringwraiths (which is what eventually became of the twelve human kings who were given lesser rings of power) and the Phazon-maddened Chozo ghosts...

Nine, actually.

I think Samus would probably succumb to the Ring, barring any unusual circumstances (other than the fact that she is in that particular universe for some reason).

Jeez, the ideas keep coming. I am actually going to write that crossover. This is now my favorite thread on the board, by the way.

[LesserChozo]

Boy, you guys really know how to ruin a good fantasy through over-analysis. Thanx.

Ok, then, picture this ...

Samus suddenly finds herself in Coolsville ...

ZOINKS!!!
JINKIES!!!

Yeah, I got nothing.

[Steamlord]

At the end, Fred tears off her helmet to reveal...

"Old Man Jenkins!"

[Emperor Ing]

You should edit your above post instead of posting another link.

Also, I suggest you study the human body scale; your proportions are way off. There's actually a really simple trick to drawing people in proportion, but you need to learn it.

Sylux, it's called artistic license and personal style.
You wouldn't tell John Krifalusci to study up anatomy, would you?

I think not.



So guys, how 'bout Samus v. SHODAN?

[Steamlord]

Well, Samus DOES have experience fighting evil female AI's.

[Satch]

You should edit your above post instead of posting another link.

Also, I suggest you study the human body scale; your proportions are way off. There's actually a really simple trick to drawing people in proportion, but you need to learn it.

Sylux, it's called artistic license and personal style.
You wouldn't tell John Krifalusci to study up anatomy, would you?

Yes.
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I want to see Samus in Looney Toons.

[Steamlord]

Shhh! Be vewy quiet! I'm hunting Metwoids!

[LesserChozo]

I tawt I taw a pate piwate.

This one's better.

[Satch]

See guys? The possibilities are endless with Samus in Looney Toons.

Personally, I like the idea of Ridley chasing Samus Wil E. Coyote style.

NINTENDO. MAKE OUR DREAMS COME TRUE.

[Lazarius]

It comes down to technology versus magic. Which is one of the many reasons why I hate crossovers. Different fictional universes have different rules, and trying to put them both on an "even ground" is impossible.

Interestingly, this specific case seems easier to reconcile than many. Tolkien's understanding of magic encompasses technology: the magic of the elves (which is artistic/creative), versus the magic of Sauron/the fallen Saruman (which is explicitly technological/dominating). The natural/supernatural distinction wasn't quite as important to him.

Also, we can start to draw direct correspondences between elements of the Metroid and LOTR universe: for example, Wraithspace versus the dimension/plane the Chozo ghosts inhabit.

This. In my opinion, there is magic in the Metroid universe. I mean, we have 'life force' and ghosts. And the Bryyonians were specifically stated to use magic. And I'm sure many people just dismissed this as their tribal beliefs, but they warred with the Lords of Science and their massive constructions for decades (centuries?), so I'm inclined to believe they had something real to fight back with.

It comes down to technology versus magic. Which is one of the many reasons why I hate crossovers. Different fictional universes have different rules, and trying to put them both on an "even ground" is impossible.

Interestingly, this specific case seems easier to reconcile than many. Tolkien's understanding of magic encompasses technology: the magic of the elves (which is artistic/creative), versus the magic of Sauron/the fallen Saruman (which is explicitly technological/dominating). The natural/supernatural distinction wasn't quite as important to him.

Also, we can start to draw direct correspondences between elements of the Metroid and LOTR universe: for example, Wraithspace versus the dimension/plane the Chozo ghosts inhabit.

This. In my opinion, there is magic in the Metroid universe. I mean, we have 'life force' and ghosts. And the Bryyonians were specifically stated to use magic. And I'm sure many people just dismissed this as their tribal beliefs, but they warred with the Lords of Science and their massive constructions for decades (centuries?), so I'm inclined to believe they had something real to fight back with.

The way I see it, "magic" in the metroid universe is a limited understanding of natural or technological phenomena. The life force that the metroids feed on is a type of measurable, biogenic energy that can be studied and controlled by advanced technology; it isn't any more "supernatural" than electricity or light. The chozo ghosts were the result of a more transhumanist (transchozoist, lol) approach to the extraspacial dimension science that we know the chozo possess. The bryyons had psionic abilities that they didn't fully understand, and that could probably be duplicated with the right kinds of machines.

So no, not magic. Just expanded laws of physics that can be used to create effects a primitive mind might see as magical. Its like the E-zero fields in Mass Effect; it looks like magic, but due to the mechanics of the universe its in, it isn't actually magic.

I suppose you could say that Middle Earth has the same physical laws as the Metroid universe and that its inhabitants simply never bothered studying it on a scientific level, but...even by fan fiction standards, that would be a stretch.