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Overall *spoilers*

Postby MaiAriSquee » 12.26.08 12:20am

A place to discuss overall feelings and concepts in/about the manga. (If it's alright, mods.)

All in all, I was apprehensive at first, but now- y'know what? I liked it. In fact, I love it enough to open my arms and accept it as canon. Some of the themes in the final chapters were very subtle and even touching, even leaving some things to question. For example... Adam. SO. Was he in love with her?? Or was he feeling fatherly? I think it was romantic love, and Samus was totally oblivious. (At least at that point in time.) VERY interesting- that sort of dynamic. Now that she's not his subordinate anymore... yah follow me?? Hoo hoo..

It was also interesting to see Samus's development from what many of us percieved as a sort of glorified disney/japanese hero/savior into a the gritty bounty hunter/warrior we've all become familiar with in the games. And yet, as with the games, she still retains her justice and heart.

I thought the death (lol) of Ridley was very powerful as well. From the beginning, he's killed her parents and tortured her life. When she encountered him during the Zebes invasion, she was powerless and reduced to a crazy wreck. Now we see her here grown, strong, and justified- she crows over his burning corpse in CA-THARSIS!! (Which at first I thought was silly then I was like, y'know, I'd do that too.)

And then the whole beast/intelligent being/rationality thing. That was neat.

I'm just so pleased. How very well done!

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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby Quadraxis » 12.26.08 6:30am

I too didn't think much of this manga at the beginning, but it got better and better. It might have some problems, but I will still accept it as an official canon source. It's good enough to be that.
I liked the themes and characters it introduced to Metroid. It also did a good job in portraying the characters we already know. Samus's transformation from a GFPD cadet who never kills into a cold, but caring bounty hunter was nice to watch.
Ridley was shown as a really brutal villain who wanted to rule the galaxy, but it seemed like he preferred the chaos of war. He wasn't like the coward in the SM comic, he was a frightening, sadistic villain. The manga also showed a new side of Ridley: he hesitated a moment before trying to kill baby Samus. Should we take this as a hint of Ridley's past?
And his "death" scene was pretty powerful, yes.
We also found out Mother Brain's true intentions. She isn't your typical "I will rule the galaxy mwahahahaha" sort of villain. From what I remember, I think she said something about trying to purge the universe with this war so everyone could start anew.

But anyway, thank you for the translation, Sharonlover, Snoopycool and the rest of the team. This was the best non-game-canon source yet and helped to fill in some holes in the storyline of Metroid. And of course, it was fun to read.
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby sharonlover » 12.26.08 6:49am

I loved this entire series from the start, but I'm one of those guys that eats up anything canonically Metroid anyway :P

The one thing I love about this manga is that Samus finally gets a personality. While the games do not give us anything beyond a hardened bounty hunter who allows her feelings to slip momentarily to one of motherly compassion (Metroid II ending) and what little we found through the MZM and Fusion story, the manga showed as that Samus wasn't always like that. It shows that Samus can indeed and does express human emotions (something debated before on the MDb Forums) and has been traumatized by her childhood experience.

I enjoyed reading about at least a portion of her time with the GFP and especially introducing us to who the real Adam was. My opinion on Adam? I think as Samus' commander he could see that she was losing herself to revenge and allowing her anger toward the Space Pirates to warp her into someone he didn't want to see her turn into. More of a really close friend who could not be close because of their ranks. Once out, he was able to express subtlety his concern that she was turning from her own humanity in an effort to seek out the cause of her pain.

I'd be curious to play a Metroid game that brought us into the time line of Samus' entry into the GFP through to Zero Mission. I enjoyed Mauk and Kraatz as well though Kreatz was sometimes too much of a 'comedy relief' character then I liked.

I also love that we learned more about Samus' roots beyond the K2-L raid and into the fact of who her Chozo blood came from. I was also curious to hear how Zebes had changed since Mother Brain made it her fortress. I was always under the impression that the creatures she encountered were just naturally defensive/predatory on Zebes but now we know that Mother Brain did something to change that. I would have loved to hear something about the Wrecked Ship and it's origins, but maybe that's a story for another time.

This is the way I see it. Metroid has finished two arcs now. An arc (for those that don't know) is a series of events in say an anime, that tells a small portion of a story. I'll take DBZ for an example since this is probably one of the most recognized in many areas (though it's been so long since I've seen it that its probably all wrong but you get the idea). DBZ was broken into seperate arcs. You had a namek arc (the search for the namekian dragonballs), you had the Cell arc (dealing with well cell) and so on. For Metroid, I see it this way.

Not including Prime games, the Metroid series from the Metroid manga to Metroid Fusion has completed one arc. The manga helped to close the arc by filling in some unanswered things and expanding the Metroid universe characters. Metroid Prime is it's own arc, while it mentions some concepts from the original story, the Prime games are not necessary to complete the original story (this makes Prime seem more like a filler arc) but fulfills the requirements for an arc by completing a time line (even though it's not necessary needed).

So the question now is, what will the next 'arc' be because in essence, Fusion could simply just be the end of the series if Nintendo allowed it to die off. At least at this point they would have nothing major to fill in and could go where ever they want to with the story. I will be highly curious as to the next game that is for sure. For all I know they could continue the original 'arc' and add something to it, but that would be pushing the original story and concept. Metroid really needs something new though to keep it fresh.

Just my input anyway ^_^
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby Maetch » 05.01.09 11:39am

I finally read through the whole thing, and I think it does Samus justice. However, there are a few points I don't like:

*Everyone seems to know about Samus's suit and past. I thought the ZM manual stated that no one knew about either her past or her identity beneath the suit, unless Samus let it leak out to a select few (Adam, Keaton, etc.)

*The Fed's trip to Zebes didn't seem to mesh well. I understand the need to pad the storyline, but I think it could've been better handled on another planet. To me, Samus only had three major visits to Zebes: youth, ZM, and SM. A fourth trip kinda threw off that balance.

*While I like Mother Brain's exposition towards Samus, I think she revealed too much too soon in Samus's life. Personally, I would have saved the "I'm invincible" speech for the ZM battle and the "You're my child" speech for SM. More dramatic that way.

Points I did like, though:

*Samus's personality is just the way I imagined it: tough and to-the point, but always looking out for the bigger picture (and with a small sense of humor). I always pegged her to be like Solid Snake in terms of personality.

*Points for reviving Keaton and Hardy, and making them far better characters than the cruddy SM comic allowed. Despite everyone else's claims, I also appreciated Mauk and Kreatz for proving that Samus is grateful for what few friends she can make (though I don't think they would survive past Prime 1).

*Believe it or not, before I read that far in the manga, I always presumed Mother Brain's chief goal as "kill everything and create a world of perfect logic". Heck, I even figured she'd see the Pirates as little more than stupid, obedient pawns. I was surprised to see the same theory used here.

Basically, there are some things I can accept, and others I choose to ignore. Altogether, though, it did a good job of explaining stuff.
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby Samethard » 05.10.09 6:03pm

I have to say that I am absolutely amazed by the level of care that was taken in regard to the source material. I am convinced that either Nintendo spoon fed the story to the writers or the writers themselves were huge Metroid fans. The manga is rich with details taken from throughout the entire Metroid franchise: The creation of the metroids by the Chozo to fight the X, the attack on K-2L, the relationship between Samus and Ridley, Samus and Adam, inclusion of Keaton and Hardy, and so many other details. Conon or not, the fact that it can be accepted as such is a testament to how great it is.

If indeed Nintendo was responsible for this, it is awesome to see that they are finally giving the Metroid franchise the respect it deserves.

Anyway, it was not perfect but I found the manga to be a fun and impressive read with good incites into Metroid history.


sharonlover wrote:Not including Prime games, the Metroid series from the Metroid manga to Metroid Fusion has completed one arc. The manga helped to close the arc by filling in some unanswered things and expanding the Metroid universe characters. Metroid Prime is it's own arc, while it mentions some concepts from the original story, the Prime games are not necessary to complete the original story (this makes Prime seem more like a filler arc) but fulfills the requirements for an arc by completing a time line (even though it's not necessary needed).

I like this idea, though I have to disagree with the break down. I argue that the Metroid series can now be broken down into 4 arcs.

1st: The Samus growth/Ridley arc. This arc occurs during the manga and chronicles the transition of Samus from a simple child to hardcore bounty hunter. Ridley is also used as the main catalyst for this transition throughout the entire manga. This makes it fitting that the manga ends with the defeat of Ridley instead of Mother Brain as that is what the next arc is about.

2nd: Mother Brain/ Baby Metroid arc. This arc occurs during the classic Metroid trilogy which mainly deals with the battle against Mother Brain and her proliferation of metroids. This eventually leads Samus to SR388 to destroy the metroids and to a cool minor plot within this arc involving a baby metroid. Both plots end up coming together in Super Metroid with an epic conclusion in which the baby metroid sacrifices itself to help Samus put Mother Brain down for good.

3rd: Phazon arc. This one is easy; it is everything that occurs during the Metroid Prime games. The plot is pretty self contained and the phazon story line begins and ends within the series. I digged how the Feds decided to keep using the Mother Brain style tech even though the original prototype ended up becoming a megalomaniacal maniac. Guess the Feds didn't learn from the Chozo's mistake, huh?

4th: X Parasite/Shady Fed arc. I believe that Fusion is actually the beginning of a whole new arc rather than just the continuation of the original trilogy. It introduces completely new concepts to the Metroid universe including the threat imposed by the X. Also, instead of the Space Pirates using the metroids as weapons, we now have the Feds doing it! Unfortunately, this arc has yet to be concluded. Guess we will just have to wait until the next Fusion game.

Well, that’s the way I see it! You disagree?
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby mental » 05.10.09 10:35pm

It was written by the MZM director, wasn't it?
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby sharonlover » 05.12.09 5:10pm

Samethard wrote:
Well, that’s the way I see it! You disagree?


I'd have to say you have a pretty good break down of the series as well. There are multiple ways this could be broken down into 'arc's so unless Nintendo states there are arcs and they way the set up, it's pretty free to interpretation.
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Postby sharonlover » 05.13.09 8:34pm

I currently have a couple of projects in the works, it's just a matter of finding time to complete it.
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby FacelessGriffin » 08.01.09 12:46pm

Do I have to say anything now? Everybody have already shared alot of thoughts about this manga, and I tend to agree with all of them.
It's well done, it flesh outs the characters, good buildup, etc. etc....

So, I guess I can just lea... Oh wait a minute, there is something that hasn't already been mentioned.

It's about that story arc in the middle. You know, the one with Samus having what TV Tropes calls "a Heroic BSOD".

What. The. Hell?
Seriously, to this day, I'm still not sure what happened in that story arc. In fact, I think nothing really happened in that story arc. I think the manga just... Stopped.
It just went by unnoticed, and nobody seemed to ever talk about it again. Not to mention, most of the flaws about this manga was possibly all based around that moment.

That scene where Samus goes mad and yells "Kill me!" all the time... Yeah, should I laugh or cry?
And the battle sequences are filled with text bubbles. Two generic anime sidekicks(atleast they were at that point) doesn't help much either.


Fortunately though, they went back to the form afterwards (With Samus kicking ass... while dressed up as Carmen Sandiago).


Oh yeah, the dialogue is kind of dodgy(though, it must be the translation)...

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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby sharonlover » 08.01.09 4:47pm

we'll I'll let you translate the next one and see how much better it comes out. You people make it sound as if it's easy to translate something, oh well, like I said before, you can't please everyone. We tried our best that's all we can say.
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby Lazarius » 08.01.09 8:24pm

I think he simply means, it's a little weird to see what is probably the second most dangerous creature in the galaxy saying 'Let's kick some ass'. Maybe something like 'tear them to shreds', etc. something that just sounds better coming from his mouth.

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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby sharonlover » 08.02.09 7:44pm

Lazarius wrote:I think he simply means, it's a little weird to see what is probably the second most dangerous creature in the galaxy saying 'Let's kick some ass'. Maybe something like 'tear them to shreds', etc. something that just sounds better coming from his mouth.


Considering we never hear ridley speak in the games, I don't see how we could have any indication on what Ridley's personality is like beyond those basics that a Space Pirate may have.
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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby Lazarius » 08.03.09 1:35am

I guess it's just 'Kick some Ass' implies a 90's American action hero, something I don't think any of us consider Ridley to be.

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Re: Overall *spoilers*

Postby CapCom » 08.03.09 6:22pm

Eh, there's more than one way to translate something. Here's a different version:

http://www.metroid-database.com/reader. ... gc&i=21&s=

It's not easy particularly since most manga uses a hell of a lot of slang that you won't find in normal Japanese speech. It's really not a good way to learn the language and it won't help you out when you visit.

I've started putting version numbers on the ones here so that the copy that's on the site can be treated as malleable. It's not like book publishing where it costs a fortune to update one page. The strategy guide manga is using this technique and atm is pretty much complete.
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