Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby sharonlover » 02.14.10 8:21pm

I've always thought of the suit as something that materializes VIA will power and stays in it's physical form until it is 'willed' away. That wouldn't require her to keep her 'will' going in order to keep it on. The suit obviously comes apart in pieces since the suit's helmet comes off at the end of the game. Physically, I've always thought the suit works like the old BubbleGum Crisis Knight Saber suits where the suit splits and she can step out/in. This would explain how the suit was destroyed in MZM as well as why when she was unconscious that the suit stayed on her.
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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby CRtheMighty » 02.16.10 6:02am

sharonlover wrote:I've always thought of the suit as something that materializes VIA will power and stays in it's physical form until it is 'willed' away. That wouldn't require her to keep her 'will' going in order to keep it on.


Yes, very yes. This to me explains things like the beginning of Fusion, where she's still in the suit even though she's almost dead. I kind of think of it like a lockdown: when the suit itself is mostly unharmed, but the user is unconscious or their vitals drop or somesuch, the suit hangs on for dear life (literally) and becomes immovable. It makes sense from a design standpoint, particularly if the Chozo had some way of removing a "lockdown" suit or at least treating the person inside without comprimising the suit (assuming the usual "Chozo had uber technology the GFeds can only guess at" angle). Because as was said earlier a suit of armor that falls off when you get flustered in a war zone is patently retarded.


I'll admit, when I first read the manga and hit upon the suit being run by "willpower" I groaned a little inwardly. It's like wishes powering you up in the first Paper Mario: it's fine for the more child-like Mario series, but cold hard science is king in Metroidverse.

Then I got thinking, and a few things hit me: A) there's a quote from I think Arthur C. Clarke that's something like "Any advanced enough technology is indistiguishable from magic." Heck knows how many episodes of Star Trek are based on that exact premise. Following the ol' uber-Chozo angle, they can just say "It's science!" and do what they please.
B) The Chozo, as was stated, are psionic, multi-dimensional beings. And, also stated, if we assmue that Samus inherited these abilies as well as resistance from Zebes' environment, then it's entirely plausible for her to pull the suit out of Hammerspace or where ever with a thought. It makes even more sense if we take into account the suit's biomechanical nature. If it's integrated with Samus's nervous system, then she can literally pull it out with a thought. That's the whole point of cybernetics, using the electrical currents of the nerves to run robotics. In this day and age, we're creating robotic limbs, and peripheries that command computers by detecting brainwaves. If a regular human's brainwaves can move a cursor, then a superhuman's brainwaves can deploy an uber-suit.


I'm thinking "willpower" might be a small bit a limitation of language. Sometimes it's hard for a translation to convey the precise meaning of a word or phrase, because the exact equal doesn't exsist in the second language. Or the concept's tricky to convey, so we get the closest meaning we can.
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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby ph00tbag » 02.26.10 11:32am

CRtheMighty wrote:I'm thinking "willpower" might be a small bit a limitation of language. Sometimes it's hard for a translation to convey the precise meaning of a word or phrase, because the exact equal doesn't exsist in the second language. Or the concept's tricky to convey, so we get the closest meaning we can.

I think this is part of it. In a way, since no human language is spoken by people that actually have experience with this sort of interdimensional technology, "willpower" is the only word we have that closely represents the mental faculty that is necessary for the suit to manifest.

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby Shinespark » 02.27.10 5:55pm

I think based on that interview gametrailers did for Other M, we can safely say that Nintendo is sticking with the 'willpower' suit idea. I mean you'll be able to regenerate not only health but missiles as well simply by concentrating?! I suppose that DOES kind of explain how Samus can carry so much missiles at once. Perhaps they're not missiles as such but concentrated energy generated by her own mind? And if that can work, why can't the suit also follow a similar mechanism?

And a side note, I'm rather interested in how Samus referred to Mother Brain as 'Mother', something I remember quite clearly from the manga. Maybe the manga holds more weight than most people realise when it comes to being part of the canon?

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby MaiAriSquee » 03.02.10 2:34am

Shinespark wrote:I think based on that interview gametrailers did for Other M, we can safely say that Nintendo is sticking with the 'willpower' suit idea. I mean you'll be able to regenerate not only health but missiles as well simply by concentrating?! I suppose that DOES kind of explain how Samus can carry so much missiles at once. Perhaps they're not missiles as such but concentrated energy generated by her own mind? And if that can work, why can't the suit also follow a similar mechanism?

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby Shinespark » 03.02.10 2:19pm

Shinespark wrote:I think based on that interview gametrailers did for Other M, we can safely say that Nintendo is sticking with the 'willpower' suit idea. I mean you'll be able to regenerate not only health but missiles as well simply by concentrating?! I suppose that DOES kind of explain how Samus can carry so much missiles at once. Perhaps they're not missiles as such but concentrated energy generated by her own mind? And if that can work, why can't the suit also follow a similar mechanism?

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That's what I thought at first, but even nanites are finite in number, it would be rediculous to suggest that they can produce infinite amount of PHYSICAL missiles. If they can somehow convert energy into matter then fine. Otherwise, nanites alone can't possibly explain this ability.

On the hand, maybe I'm just taking a simple game mechanic a LITTLE too seriously o_O

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby Antiquity » 03.02.10 3:17pm

Of course, she has unlimited missiles on board her ship, as well as unlimited batteries or whatever to charge from, and yes, energy is conserved in physics.

Of course the programmers cut some corners. But still, missiles need materials - she has to get them from somewhere (if she were able to manipulate the amounts of energy required to make missiles from nothing, she would have no need of missiles or any other weapons...)

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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby CapCom » 03.06.10 10:20am

Maybe she gets the matter from the past - this is where the missing socks from your dryer go.
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Re: Does the manga spoil the illusion for you?

Postby KazerBeam » 11.25.14 11:40pm

I always thought that Samus' suit rearranges the atoms around it to form the suit, and when it is damaged, the atoms are released.
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