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Postby ChozoBoy » 12.03.07 4:02am

AMetroidGuy wrote:Excellent. Maybe you and she should look over the existing English-language material. The Instruction Manuals are transcribed on the MDb. Maybe someone in her group could look over the Japanese versions too. I would even recommend checking out non-canon sources like the NP SM comic, or the Metroid stories in the old Nintendo Comic[s?] System books. I can’t find the latter online, though... Cap, do we have those on the MDb? Or do you want me to scan them sometime?


AMetroidGuy, I wanted to point out to you, because you seem like a big enough Metroid canon fan (I dig the Valiant comics as well. The Locker and RX-338 should be kept in the story. Ever see the early sketches of the second issue?) that when you said that the SM comic wasn't canon, I thought I'd remind you that at least 3 characters in the manga originated in the comic. Old-Bird has also been in the 2 GBA games. I think that K-2L and the Chozo upbringing, both referenced in Prime/it's manual, originated there as well.

I have never really noticed that her GF training/AWOL first originated in the NCS. I'm immensely greatful that Japan kept so close to all of this English source material in recent Metroid canon. It is my hope, that in properly scanlating this manga, all of the English speaking Metroid developers and story-tellers (Retro Studios, NST, Fuse Gmes, etc.) will have easier and more effective methods of presenting the full story of Metroid.

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Postby AMetroidGuy » 12.03.07 9:24am

Heh, you needn’t remind me. I’ve noted those things myself several times on these boards, as a have a few others. Still, even though some aspects were retained, it is pretty clear that the comic itself is not consistent with other materials and has been contradicted at times. The current storyline is loosely adapted from those ideas - although someone mentioned something recently that makes me wonder if some of the story may have been laid out in unpublicized internal documents as far back as 1990.

As for the Locker and the Prison World( which don’t work if you link them directly like that, btw), they seem to be aspects of Captain N’s Videoland setting, not of the Metroid universe itself.( And Videoland is of course completely non-canon for any series/franchise except Captain N itself.)
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Postby MaiAriSquee » 12.03.07 5:26pm

Here's a mess of those comics. I found the link awhile ago while on a hunt.

http://www.trsrockin.com/ncs_stories.html#metroid

I thought the Coming of a Hero one was pretty cool. I actually really like the way Samus is drawn, aside from the clunky looking power suit. Everything else is so deliciously retro!
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Postby Infinity's End » 12.03.07 8:27pm

I don't know if I'm letting the cat out of the bag by saying this, but there is a very good chance that many of the Samus-related Captain N comics will find their way to the MDb very soon.

Although we technically could say ALL Capt N comics are Metroid-related since the main evil badguy is Mother Brain, I doubt anyone would really be interested in it.... it's an awful comic anyway.
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Postby MaiAriSquee » 12.03.07 11:02pm

A LONG time ago, on the old forum, some one posted one of those comics with really funny, edited text, which included "I am rubber, you are glue- look - I am PUNCHING YOU!"

Anyone know where THAT is?? :P
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Postby ChozoBoy » 12.04.07 3:35am

Sorry. Didn't mean to steer this towards CN.

I think those two are based on the Metroid Universe. (RX-338's name derriving from SR-388, and the Locker being based on the bounty hunter stories, with the SM comic continuing it's tradition of using similar space suits to Samus for other hunters.) There are some other odd patterns I've noticed as well... The blue suit Samus wears in the original Metroid comic's prologue preluding the Zero Suit... Weavel's alt form's likeness to "Big Time" Brannigan's stature and shape.

Also, I haven't noticed any real canon contradictions aside from character depictions, the retconning MZM had done, and the Prime log translations.



Ever see the early sketches for thesecond Metroid comic? They seem to be missing now... Seemed to be a lab setting and reminded me of the SM intro. I'd like to hear any other interresting insight you or anyone could provide, AMG, including these contradicitons you refer to. I've found the story to be remarkably consistant (Captain N's journeys in Videoland, aside).

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Postby CapCom » 12.04.07 11:52am

"Big Time" Brannigan is actually a Dessgeega, one of sidehopper-like enemies in Ridley's Lair.

While the Captain-N comics may use interesting ideas here and there (mostly fairly obvious material like 'Samus must have been part of the police force!') and some of the ideas are suggestive, I don't think it's a good idea to take Captain N as Metroid canon. Captain N is a story about videogames, not about the worlds created by the videogame (thus, Captain N is not about Metroid's universe but rather Videoland's universe that was created to somehow tie together all Nintendo's games; the Zelda and Mario comics on the other hand are mostly about Zelda and Mario's universes).

And besides, the comics just aren't that good. The writing sucks and the art is serviceable at best. It's typical 80s cash-in cheese.

But it's got Metroid characters in it, so I suppose some people would be interested in it for that reason. At least it's better than some of the fan fiction I've come across.
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Postby ChozoBoy » 12.04.07 10:40pm

Sorry, I'm a big fan of the 80's style and the era in general, so the comic wasn't too cheesy for me, as it conveyed the current (at the time) Metroid universe, as it was in both the in-game and concept art. What makes these areas important to me is that they are based solely on the style of the original Metroid and it's manual story. That is something that we will never get again because new additions to the Metroid canon will be an amalgamation of the sequels as well. To me, they are interresting locales and they still fit in the context of the story. Reading about the history of the dictatorship on RX-338 reminded me of something out of a Prime scan.

I thought for a moment that Dessgeegas might be brought up... What I was getting at is that the Halfturret reminescent of Big Time. Maybe this is because I was half-hoping that he might be in Hunters back when only half of the Hunters were shown, but Weavel doesn't look particularly Dessgeega-esque. The significance that I wanted to point out was that Big Time was the first Hunter to meet up with/combat against Samus (that we were shown), while that is the very premise for MP:Hunters.


Another neat topic: Anyone ever look at the original Manual since MP2:E was released and notice something in one of the images?

And I don't mean the Tie-Fighter...

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Postby MaiAriSquee » 12.05.07 1:20am

WHOAAAAOOOAAAAHH..! It's Dark Samus! XD Wua hah!
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Postby CapCom » 12.05.07 1:25am

Actually, you'll love this picture:

http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fa ... nson02.jpg

Personally, I think they should have gone for a style similar to this for Kraid in Metroid Zero Mission, but I guess they just wanted to keep everything consistent. This happens to be my favorite Kraid art BTW and it was a blast talking with the artist.

In terms of the NES story art, you shouldn't be too quick to avoid noticing the Chozo-like character in the first panel. Though I assume you're making a connection between the shadowy figure and Dark Samus. Because of the tie fighters there, it's probably easier to make 'Darth Vader' connections.
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Postby ChozoBoy » 12.05.07 9:14pm

I did notice the Chozo-like creature, but wasn't sure if it was too far of a stretch to mention. Here's one that isn't though: The bipedal bug creatures being very early Space Pirates (They do have Tie Fighters, so they must be evil, anyway).

For a real stretch, how about that one GF alien's resemblance to Chairman Keaton? Or the helmeted figure fighting "Dark Samus"? Many would recognize/interpret that as Nintendo's other bounty hunter, Captain Falcon. Though, I suppose since he is red it would be his evil clone, Blood Falcon?

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Postby MaiAriSquee » 12.06.07 1:42pm

That could be a stretch, but it would be funny if it was true. Did FZero exist at that time, and were we aware that C.Falcon was a bounty hunter? Pardon my ignorance...

That is some pretty awesome Kraid art! Many, I love paging through that fanart archive. There's some great stuff in there. It's actually contributes to one of the main reasons I love this site so much- the unbelievably extensive archive of art and images, official and fan made. RIDICULOUS!
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Postby Will Keaton » 12.07.07 7:08pm

MaiAriSquee wrote:Did FZero exist at that time, and were we aware that C.Falcon was a bounty hunter? Pardon my ignorance...!


Metroid was created in 1986, same year as Zelda, Castlevania, Metal Gear and at least two other major game franchizes that I can't remember at the moment. Incidently it was also the year I was born.

F-Zero was released in 1990 and yes it did explicitly state Capt. Falcon was a bounty hunter in the manual. it also contains the ugliest rendering of Pico you'll ever see, a terribly out of character Dr. Stewart and a cameo by Don Genie (maybe) who would later be playable in F-Zero GX. Blood Falcon didn't appear until F-Zero X which was released in 1998.

The Captain N comics may have been cheezy but they still managed to make Samus look badass(ish). In Breakout it takes 6 (or maybe 7?) federation soldiers just to restrain her and after being thrown into prison she clobbers about 8 enemies by swinging Kraid around by the tail, (without her suit on I might add.)
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Postby ChozoBoy » 12.07.07 10:38pm

I certainly did make her look badass. In one issue, she went head to head with Lana, and the princess said, "It's like fighting a tank."

Great line.

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Postby samusfan » 01.19.12 10:58pm

That stories of Captain N canonical? or not?
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