Jar jar binks.

by **kronoridley** » 11.18.10 12:26am

There is something that always bugged me:Why is Jar Jar binks Racist?

People either say he is a black stereotype, or a jamaican stereotype. Yet, other than he's dredlock-like things, how is he one of those stereotypes? If anything, he is a Chinese stereotype, but I have not heard any Chinese people complain.

And before any of you ask, yes, I checked other websites already, and got no results, so I decided to post it here.

So how is he a black or jamaican stereotype?

by **Satch** » 11.18.10 12:30am

...People say this?

Who?

Why?

by **kronoridley** » 11.18.10 12:34am

Satch wrote:...People say this?

Who?

Why?

Who: a lot of people who watched EP I.
Why: I don't know, I'm asking you guys!

by **Chipou** » 11.18.10 12:43am

tbh, i never found him annoying...or never have i found him remotly racist. i just saw him as something lucas sold out on.

by **mental** » 11.18.10 12:45am

The dreadlocks, the big lips, and the exaggerated accent. Unfortunately it does sound a bit like a high-pitched version of racist "mogumbo" faux accents.

This is a bit similar to the way some people took the Trade Federation's robes and accents to be East Asian stereotypes.

Edit: JarJar didn't bother me that much in this regard, honestly. Though I can kinda see why it might some people.

by **TheBlackCat** » 11.18.10 12:53am

On the other hand, I've seen it argued that the fact that people immediately associate those features with particular races is itself racist. In other words, the argument is that the ones accusing Jar Jar Binks and the Trade Federation of being racist are only demonstrating their own racial prejudices. I should add that the person I saw making this argument was Asian himself.

That being said, the people in the movie are definitely racist. Both the Gungans and humans (even the Jedis) judge each other based on their race. However, by the end of the movie this perspective is shown to be short-sighted to an extent.

Nevertheless, characters in the movie are shown associating largely based on race. So the trade federation is made up of only one species. Jabba's palace has a wide variety of species, but all the guards are of the same species. Jar Jar remains the only token Gungan in the Queen's employ in later movies. Jedis are mostly human (especially the students). Most of the platforms shown in the senate chambers contained only members of a single species, indicating representation was mostly based on species rather than location (and if it is based on location then planets are poorly-integrated racially). Besides the capital, more cosmopolitan areas tend to be shown as backwards, while more "civilized" areas tend to be mostly inhabited by single species or a few species that keep to themselves. The empire is made up almost exclusively by humans, and the rebels were as well until the last movie, and even then the species kept to their own ships.

by **Chipou** » 11.18.10 1:05am

to be honest, theblackcat made a point i havent heard in a long time (the part about stereotyping being racist, and the people who call others are racists). anyways.

i blame mental for purple Jynx (kidding ofc). she wasnt even based on a stereotype black women. but rather some asain culture thing. but people see black skin big lips and immediatly shout racist without giving a though as to what it may be based on, immediatly assuming its a black stereotype. which in a way, as TBC made, is racist in its own right.

by **kronoridley** » 11.18.10 1:15am

So, basically,people are just doing a "TRUKK NUT MUNKEE" on Jar Jar, aren't they?

Fanboys! (I actually like Jar Jar).

by **Emperor Ing** » 11.18.10 1:38am

A better question is why didn't Anakin take the high ground

by **mental** » 11.18.10 4:23am

TheBlackCat wrote:On the other hand, I've seen it argued that the fact that people immediately associate those features with particular races is itself racist. In other words, the argument is that the ones accusing Jar Jar Binks and the Trade Federation of being racist are only demonstrating their own racial prejudices.

Potentially. Or maybe they've been exposed to the stereotype enough to be sensitized to it.

by **Mewtwo** » 11.18.10 7:07am

Just been watchin AoTC actually. I don't find Jar Jar racist. I suppose thats because I dont look for stereotypes of a race when I watch something. I did notice that Nute was quite reminiscent of a bad asian accent and also clothing, though theres also a lot of asian jedi so meh.
Basically its the same as Other M- I think people are projecting.

by **kronoridley** » 11.18.10 8:28am

Mewtwo wrote:I did notice that Nute was quite reminiscent of a bad asian accent and also clothing, though theres also a lot of asian jedi so meh.
Basically its the same as Other M- I think people are projecting.

I never thought the (IMO) best Samus cosplayer would also have the best answer on a thread about Jar Jar binks's racism!

You're awesome!

by **Sylux** » 11.18.10 10:44am

I don´t think Jar Jar was a racist characiture. However, the trade federation did make me roll my eyes just a bit; Ming the Merciless came to mind.

by **Apothem** » 12.03.10 12:36am

Emperor Ing wrote:A better question is why didn't Anakin take the high ground

I agree, a better question indeed, but we all know Obiwan was L33T H4X.

by **Doc Scratch** » 12.03.10 6:58am

I always thought Jynx didn't have a BLACK face, but a hidden one.

Seriously, I think it looks like the hair puts her face in shadow, and the only things you can see are her lips and eyes. But then it turns out that actually IS Jinx's face, apparently, since it got changed to purple.

TheBlackCat wrote:Nevertheless, characters in the movie are shown associating largely based on race. So the trade federation is made up of only one species. Jabba's palace has a wide variety of species, but all the guards are of the same species. Jar Jar remains the only token Gungan in the Queen's employ in later movies. Jedis are mostly human (especially the students). Most of the platforms shown in the senate chambers contained only members of a single species, indicating representation was mostly based on species rather than location (and if it is based on location then planets are poorly-integrated racially). Besides the capital, more cosmopolitan areas tend to be shown as backwards, while more "civilized" areas tend to be mostly inhabited by single species or a few species that keep to themselves. The empire is made up almost exclusively by humans, and the rebels were as well until the last movie, and even then the species kept to their own ships.

He's a senator. They represent the same planet, so there's a reason they keep in touch (I guess past friendships might matter too... Assuming it's possible to find something likeable in JarJar).

Also, humans are the most widespread species in the galaxy; that's why there's more of them in the movies. Tantooine is a bad example, since it's on the edge of the central area.

kronoridley Posts: 1745 Joined: 08.29.10 11:50am Location: Sector 3 (Also known as Saudi Arabia)	Jar jar binks. by kronoridley » 11.18.10 12:26am There is something that always bugged me:Why is Jar Jar binks Racist? People either say he is a black stereotype, or a jamaican stereotype. Yet, other than he's dredlock-like things, how is he one of those stereotypes? If anything, he is a Chinese stereotype, but I have not heard any Chinese people complain. And before any of you ask, yes, I checked other websites already, and got no results, so I decided to post it here. So how is he a black or jamaican stereotype? Schrau wrote:Bear in mind that most Metroid games (especially the Primes) are survival horror. At least from the perspective of the Space Pirates.
Satch Posts: 1912 Joined: 09.01.08 1:16pm Location: ZOMD QAA AMGEDPHA	Re: Jar jar binks. by Satch » 11.18.10 12:30am ...People say this? Who? Why? IF ADAM WANTS A GIRL TO ****ING DANCE, HE SHOULD JUST GO TO A STRIP CLUB. ~Doc Scratch
kronoridley Posts: 1745 Joined: 08.29.10 11:50am Location: Sector 3 (Also known as Saudi Arabia)	Re: Jar jar binks. by kronoridley » 11.18.10 12:34am Satch wrote:...People say this? Who? Why? Who: a lot of people who watched EP I. Why: I don't know, I'm asking you guys! Schrau wrote:Bear in mind that most Metroid games (especially the Primes) are survival horror. At least from the perspective of the Space Pirates.
Chipou Posts: 1161 Joined: 08.28.10 4:23pm Location: Move your head, i cant read where I am.	Re: Jar jar binks. by Chipou » 11.18.10 12:43am tbh, i never found him annoying...or never have i found him remotly racist. i just saw him as something lucas sold out on.
mental Posts: 2897 Joined: 07.14.07 8:35pm Location: The Moon Website	Re: Jar jar binks. by mental » 11.18.10 12:45am The dreadlocks, the big lips, and the exaggerated accent. Unfortunately it does sound a bit like a high-pitched version of racist "mogumbo" faux accents. This is a bit similar to the way some people took the Trade Federation's robes and accents to be East Asian stereotypes. Edit: JarJar didn't bother me that much in this regard, honestly. Though I can kinda see why it might some people. "The world will always be more delicious than it is useful." - Robert Capon
TheBlackCat Posts: 834 Joined: 10.28.10 8:43pm Location: Searching for the candle in the dark	Re: Jar jar binks. by TheBlackCat » 11.18.10 12:53am On the other hand, I've seen it argued that the fact that people immediately associate those features with particular races is itself racist. In other words, the argument is that the ones accusing Jar Jar Binks and the Trade Federation of being racist are only demonstrating their own racial prejudices. I should add that the person I saw making this argument was Asian himself. That being said, the people in the movie are definitely racist. Both the Gungans and humans (even the Jedis) judge each other based on their race. However, by the end of the movie this perspective is shown to be short-sighted to an extent. Nevertheless, characters in the movie are shown associating largely based on race. So the trade federation is made up of only one species. Jabba's palace has a wide variety of species, but all the guards are of the same species. Jar Jar remains the only token Gungan in the Queen's employ in later movies. Jedis are mostly human (especially the students). Most of the platforms shown in the senate chambers contained only members of a single species, indicating representation was mostly based on species rather than location (and if it is based on location then planets are poorly-integrated racially). Besides the capital, more cosmopolitan areas tend to be shown as backwards, while more "civilized" areas tend to be mostly inhabited by single species or a few species that keep to themselves. The empire is made up almost exclusively by humans, and the rebels were as well until the last movie, and even then the species kept to their own ships. Man is the lowest-cost, 150-pound, nonlinear, all-purpose computer system which can be mass-produced by unskilled labor. -NASA in 1965
Chipou Posts: 1161 Joined: 08.28.10 4:23pm Location: Move your head, i cant read where I am.	Re: Jar jar binks. by Chipou » 11.18.10 1:05am to be honest, theblackcat made a point i havent heard in a long time (the part about stereotyping being racist, and the people who call others are racists). anyways. i blame mental for purple Jynx (kidding ofc). she wasnt even based on a stereotype black women. but rather some asain culture thing. but people see black skin big lips and immediatly shout racist without giving a though as to what it may be based on, immediatly assuming its a black stereotype. which in a way, as TBC made, is racist in its own right.
kronoridley Posts: 1745 Joined: 08.29.10 11:50am Location: Sector 3 (Also known as Saudi Arabia)	Re: Jar jar binks. by kronoridley » 11.18.10 1:15am So, basically,people are just doing a "TRUKK NUT MUNKEE" on Jar Jar, aren't they? Fanboys! (I actually like Jar Jar). Schrau wrote:Bear in mind that most Metroid games (especially the Primes) are survival horror. At least from the perspective of the Space Pirates.
Emperor Ing Posts: 4969 Joined: 12.27.07 1:22pm Location: ENGAGING RIDLEY MOTHER FUCKER	Re: Jar jar binks. by Emperor Ing » 11.18.10 1:38am A better question is why didn't Anakin take the high ground Hiroshi Mishima wrote:must be some sorta side effect of the hatchling or maybe she should stop going down on Miyamoto.
mental Posts: 2897 Joined: 07.14.07 8:35pm Location: The Moon Website	Re: Jar jar binks. by mental » 11.18.10 4:23am TheBlackCat wrote:On the other hand, I've seen it argued that the fact that people immediately associate those features with particular races is itself racist. In other words, the argument is that the ones accusing Jar Jar Binks and the Trade Federation of being racist are only demonstrating their own racial prejudices. Potentially. Or maybe they've been exposed to the stereotype enough to be sensitized to it. "The world will always be more delicious than it is useful." - Robert Capon
Mewtwo Posts: 955 Joined: 08.18.10 3:17am Location: Down Under Website	Re: Jar jar binks. by Mewtwo » 11.18.10 7:07am Just been watchin AoTC actually. I don't find Jar Jar racist. I suppose thats because I dont look for stereotypes of a race when I watch something. I did notice that Nute was quite reminiscent of a bad asian accent and also clothing, though theres also a lot of asian jedi so meh. Basically its the same as Other M- I think people are projecting.
kronoridley Posts: 1745 Joined: 08.29.10 11:50am Location: Sector 3 (Also known as Saudi Arabia)	Re: Jar jar binks. by kronoridley » 11.18.10 8:28am Mewtwo wrote:I did notice that Nute was quite reminiscent of a bad asian accent and also clothing, though theres also a lot of asian jedi so meh. Basically its the same as Other M- I think people are projecting. I never thought the (IMO) best Samus cosplayer would also have the best answer on a thread about Jar Jar binks's racism! You're awesome! Schrau wrote:Bear in mind that most Metroid games (especially the Primes) are survival horror. At least from the perspective of the Space Pirates.
Sylux	Re: Jar jar binks. by Sylux » 11.18.10 10:44am I don´t think Jar Jar was a racist characiture. However, the trade federation did make me roll my eyes just a bit; Ming the Merciless came to mind.
Apothem Posts: 1065 Joined: 06.17.08 10:08pm Location: The House of Next Tuesday	Re: Jar jar binks. by Apothem » 12.03.10 12:36am Emperor Ing wrote:A better question is why didn't Anakin take the high ground I agree, a better question indeed, but we all know Obiwan was L33T H4X. The last metroid is in captivity. All's well in the galaxy.
Doc Scratch Posts: 574 Joined: 09.15.10 2:02am Location: Dead.	Re: Jar jar binks. by Doc Scratch » 12.03.10 6:58am I always thought Jynx didn't have a BLACK face, but a hidden one. Seriously, I think it looks like the hair puts her face in shadow, and the only things you can see are her lips and eyes. But then it turns out that actually IS Jinx's face, apparently, since it got changed to purple. TheBlackCat wrote:Nevertheless, characters in the movie are shown associating largely based on race. So the trade federation is made up of only one species. Jabba's palace has a wide variety of species, but all the guards are of the same species. Jar Jar remains the only token Gungan in the Queen's employ in later movies. Jedis are mostly human (especially the students). Most of the platforms shown in the senate chambers contained only members of a single species, indicating representation was mostly based on species rather than location (and if it is based on location then planets are poorly-integrated racially). Besides the capital, more cosmopolitan areas tend to be shown as backwards, while more "civilized" areas tend to be mostly inhabited by single species or a few species that keep to themselves. The empire is made up almost exclusively by humans, and the rebels were as well until the last movie, and even then the species kept to their own ships. He's a senator. They represent the same planet, so there's a reason they keep in touch (I guess past friendships might matter too... Assuming it's possible to find something likeable in JarJar). Also, humans are the most widespread species in the galaxy; that's why there's more of them in the movies. Tantooine is a bad example, since it's on the edge of the central area. Suckers.

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