I just realized something about the Fusion Chozo fights

[Hybrinoid]

WARNING: BOSS SPOILER ALERT FOR SUPER METROID AND METROID FUSION

Now that thats out of the way (what? some people might appreciate that), time to propose my theory.

You know how in Metroid Fusion, there are those two Chozo statues that have been mimicked by the X? There's something that's been bothering me: Chozo statues aren't living things. How could the X infest them? I mean, at least the security robot had a neural implant for its brain. Which gets me thinking:

What if the statues in Fusion were the Torizo?

Think about it: The first one has a powerup, they're on a federation ship with lots of samples of other familiar dead creatures (space pirates, anyone?), and not to mention, the second one is gold-colored. Just like the second one in Super Metroid.

Thoughts?

[Emperor Ing]

But I thought Torizo weren't living things, either. I thought they were security robots of sorts. Wouldn't we be in the same quandary, then?

If they are Torizo (though nothing in-game points to this, and I strongly suspect that the first Chozo statue is just a replica of a normal statue).
The X have shown themselves to be able to subsume and corrupt pure data, like the Core X that absorbed the Varia-Suit data.

[YamI]

But I thought Torizo weren't living things, either. I thought they were security robots of sorts. Wouldn't we be in the same quandary, then?

If they are Torizo (though nothing in-game points to this, and I strongly suspect that the first Chozo statue is just a replica of a normal statue).
The X have shown themselves to be able to subsume and corrupt pure data, like the Core X that absorbed the Varia-Suit data.

Not true. Torizo's are mini-bosses, they are also guardians, and as such. Living beings. They are Aliens, incase you wonder. Just like Space Pirates are Aliens. Space Pirates used containers, and such and made new bio-forms, one just happened to be the Torizo. They cloned the torizo, and it turned out that it came out a different color. Explaining the gold. Hence is why there is Bomb torizo, and Golden torizo. Atleast, I believe this statement is true.

[CapCom]

One other X mimicked a missile pod. I really don't think enemies evolved that can mimic items. There's no evolutionary advantage to something as specific as that. It's like a parasite that can mimic a $10 bill.

The trouble with the Torizo is it's a robot or golem. I don't think there was anything that ever suggested they were biological.

The X were probably able to mimic the Chozo - I'd say since there's such a large ruins structure it's highly unlikely the X did NOT encounter the Chozo somewhere and kill a few.

However, I'd say it's more likely some other type of mimicry system is at work. Either that, or it's a flaw in the logic of the X (though one that few people seemed to have bothered with...). What's REALLY interesting is that the X were smart enough to know that Samus would be drawn to statues and items like that and not give them a second thought. (Though yeah, it's just the developers trying to pull a fast one on the player )

[YamI]

I knew it was a fluke when I saw the Morphball Icon. I was like "What? Is this like some morph upgrade? Cause I already have Morphball..." Then POOF, Core-X came out of no wheres...

[Schrau]

Guys, you're forgetting that they were built by the Chozo. The same people who, when they needed a method to both absorb and store energy from living things, went ahead and designed a sentient floating jellyfish. The same people who, when they needed an all-powerful computer to run their society, stuck a brain in a jar and called it a day.

It's not terribly unlikely that they installed some biochemistry inside the Torizo, in fact it's pretty likely. Using living but largely immobile creatures as glorified switches? That's how the Chozo roll.

[Dementis]

But I thought Torizo weren't living things, either. I thought they were security robots of sorts. Wouldn't we be in the same quandary, then?

If they are Torizo (though nothing in-game points to this, and I strongly suspect that the first Chozo statue is just a replica of a normal statue).
The X have shown themselves to be able to subsume and corrupt pure data, like the Core X that absorbed the Varia-Suit data.

Erm... no? The Varia-Suit has been mentioned to be at least half biological last time I checked, and chances are so are the Torizo.

There's no evolutionary advantage to something as specific as that. It's like a parasite that can mimic a $10 bill.

Erm... yes there is? It would draw people forward because of greed and when they reach down to pick it - bam! Parasite burrows into the flesh of your hand and crawls towards your brain.

And the X are known to be able to mimic any thing they have absorbed. They wouldn't be able to do much as an expansion so they would just mimic it, waiting for Samus to come, then turn back into an X.

[Naner]

One other X mimicked a missile pod. I really don't think enemies evolved that can mimic items. There's no evolutionary advantage to something as specific as that. It's like a parasite that can mimic a $10 bill.

A smart parasite will learn, in time, that people are more likely to become your victims if you infect them through a $10 bill than a very nasty and ugly spider (or similar creatures). Just saying.


Nettori looks more like a Torizo than the first statue. But I dunno... I think the first one was actually the X imitating a statue. The second one seems to be a statue the Federation kept in BSL for research, and the X happened to infect it.

Y'know, non-Torizo statues appeared moving many times in Super and Zero Mission. Maybe many (or all) of them have organic components.

[TheBlackCat]

The trouble with the Torizo is it's a robot or golem. I don't think there was anything that ever suggested they were biological.

You mean like reproducing?

[Schrau]

The trouble with the Torizo is it's a robot or golem. I don't think there was anything that ever suggested they were biological.

You mean like reproducing?

Reproduction is irrelevant. B.O.X and Nightmare were both biological, but it's highly unlikely that they were capable of reproduction.

Of course, now I've mentioned it, I bet someone on the Internet will draw it. Ew.

Anyway, I've always assumed that Nettori was actually the plant rather than the Chozo statue.

[TheBlackCat]

The trouble with the Torizo is it's a robot or golem. I don't think there was anything that ever suggested they were biological.

You mean like reproducing?

Reproduction is irrelevant. B.O.X and Nightmare were both biological, but it's highly unlikely that they were capable of reproduction.

The torizo, or rather the gold torizo, did reproduce. After you blow its face off, little squishy baby torizos jump out of it and attack you. This would imply that it is at least partially biological.

[Schrau]

The torizo, or rather the gold torizo, did reproduce. After you blow its face off, little squishy baby torizos jump out of it and attack you. This would imply that it is at least partially biological.

Actually, you've just managed to </thread> this whole thing. I forgot that all three Torizo in Super were organic and were explicitly shown on screen as being organic. Even if the little bug critters were just a defence mechanism, the oozing, visible heart, and the fact that the third was completely drained by the Metroid are all indicators that they were alive.

[Dryn]

Samus uses "organic" and "biological" synonymously. "Biological component" can mean "cellular component." All of these are synonymous. Living organisms contain carbon (C). Anything referred to as "organic" means it contains C. "Organic" can, but does not necessarily, refer to "living organism." For example, steel contains C. See organic chemistry for details.

• Hypothesis 1. X can mimic anything that contains C.
• Hypothesis 2. X can mimic anything that derives from a living organism.
• Hypothesis 3. X can only mimic living organisms.

[TheBlackCat]

Steel is not considered organic, chemically it is much more similar to aluminum or gold than to organic molecules. The same goes for baking soda, carbon dioxide, and diamond, they may have carbon in them but organisms that feed on organic molecules will not have any luck feeding on any of them since they are chemically very different.

On the other end, there isn't any fundamental difference between organic molecules derived from living organisms and those that are not. If the X can feed on any organic molecules derived from living organisms, pretty much by definition it can also feed on any organic molecules produced through other means.

So the possibilities should really be:

1. The X can mimic anything
2. The X can mimic anything composed or organic molecules
3. The X can only mimic living or once-living organisms

[Dryn]

Steel is not considered organic, chemically it is much more similar to aluminum or gold than to organic molecules.

I feel as if you are equivocating. Please explain what you mean. What has steel to do with aluminum or gold? What are "organic molecules"? And, what about organometallic chemistry? You seem to know more than I do on the matter.

The same goes for baking soda, carbon dioxide, and diamond, they may have carbon in them but organisms that feed on organic molecules will not have any luck feeding on any of them since they are chemically very different.

Why are they chemically different?

On the other end, there isn't any fundamental difference between organic molecules derived from living organisms and those that are not. If the X can feed on any organic molecules derived from living organisms, pretty much by definition it can also feed on any organic molecules produced through other means.

1. The X can mimic anything

This does not work with what Adam told us.

2. The X can mimic anything composed or organic molecules

No argument.

3. The X can only mimic living or once-living organisms

To expand on this, as I said before, the X can possibly mimic things that derive from a living organism, like spider silk.