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Zynux

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by Zynux » 04.26.12 9:47pm
doc O. Mire wrote:Anywho, I'd like a slightly altered mission structure. Right now, we have: send Samus on a mission, she completes it, game over. I'd like it if they took a page from RPGs and provided multiple missions to try and complete... the only question, were that to happen, would be of what kind of reward completing a side-mission could give Samus. There aren't ever any shops to spend money in, and I wouldn't want them to go so far as to have Samus gaining experience points and leveling up
It might just be my love for sidequests, but sometimes they can act as their own reward. More objectives, more villains to fight, an extra story, and more places to explore is all the reward I personally really need from sidequests. However, they could also provide extra power-ups that aren't needed to beat the full game, but can still be helpful and really cool. Which brings an important point about rewards. I think many fans may crime blasphemy, but I hope I get more of a reward than a bazillion missile expansions that I won't even use. Energy Tanks are alright, but the number of missile they give you is ridiculous and hardly a reward, especially when there is such an abundance in them. Perhaps they could expand upon the role the chozo played, or look more into the political side of things, the Pirates can't be the only group against the Federation, and likewise, there may be more than one client looking to hire a hunter to stop pirate raids.
Seriously, this. Not only is it hardly believable that the Pirates are the only enemies of the Federation but that their aren't more human crime syndicates causing trouble in the galaxy as well. Basically, we need more villains as well as keep the Space Pirates alive and not wiped out after Zebes. HYRUL3 wrote:A great opening level to hook in players could be playing a flashback, nightmare sequence as an infant Samus and wandering through the horror and destruction of K-2L and watching helplessly as all this atrocity occurs around you.
An idea I had as well that should be utilized but I doubt it come to fruition. Nintendo seems to really want to avoid stuff like that (I can't fathom why); their content with "These guys are the Big Bad, and their terrible, and that's it" without ever showing you how terrible these guys are. If I want to believe that the Space Pirates are actually a threat to the galaxy, then yes I want to see just how horrible their destruction on K2-L (among other things) was. Probably expecting way too much plot from a Nintendo game but w/e. A new threat is needed for this game. Metroids can play a minor role, but not be the predictable plot device they've grown to become. Perhaps after Fusion, Samus has been going nomad, avoiding Federation space. They seek her out because they need her talents in protecting the Federation. Perhaps Sylux could be the villain, attacking military ships and bases. Samus has to hunt him down, something she has proven to be very proficient at, and she will be forgiven for the destruction of the BSL. She'd go on a galaxy-spanning, multi-planet search, gathering clues as to what Sylux is up to, and uncovering more of the Federation's corruption. Both sides are playing her and she's not sure which is the greater evil. Story would be told through as few cutscenes as possible, narrative shown through gameplay ie Half Life or Bioshock, as mentioned earlier.
I'm not so sure about Sylux, at least not yet. I personally feel he should appear after the whole "Corrupt Federation" arc is over (in fact, I think he should have his own arc, like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime did), having him being apart of it seems a little forced IMO. And I think those who are "small sect" of corrupted officials should very much be the main antagonists; both Fusion and Other M were clever (not really) to try to avoid any confrontation with the humans whatsoever; you always fight the bioweapons but not the masterminds themselves. Hopefully you'll actually destroy the corrupted sect once and for all. I'd like more flashbacks, too. Maybe to when she was training. Have a really cool Chozo character that trains her to become the ultimate warrior, someone both Samus and the player come to care about. Then at the end of her training, as a final test, she must survive, alone, on a hostile, isolated alien planet for a long period of time. Then when she thinks its all over, the true final test is to battle against her mentor, one on one... to the death. And she can't kill him.
Yes, definitely more Chozo (if they're important to the story, anyway).
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rondus18

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by rondus18 » 04.26.12 10:16pm
HYRUL3 wrote:Epic making Metroid... from my play time with Gears and Bulletstorm (both fun in their own way), that would be like having Michael Bay make a film version of Old Man and the Sea. Thank god I never saw that rumor.
Just because Epic made some silly games doesn't mean they can't make serious games too. They chose to make Gears and Bulletstorm silly. Michael Bay didn't choose to make terrible movies, he's just incapable of making good movies. Also, play Unreal. It runs oddly if you have a quad core cpu, but play it and then tell me if you think Epic can handle a Metroid game.
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VGMStudios

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by VGMStudios » 04.26.12 11:44pm
Thanks for the laughs. I'll never believe anything the French say. Nintendo and Android I don't think so. Nintendo will never use such a thing. If they did they would have to pay royalties. Google would probably want nintendo games on cells phones too which would never happen. Vgm out...
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by HYRUL3 » 04.27.12 1:34am
Zynux wrote:I'm not so sure about Sylux, at least not yet. I personally feel he should appear after the whole "Corrupt Federation" arc is over (in fact, I think he should have his own arc, like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime did), having him being apart of it seems a little forced IMO.
I don't think it would be forced at all. He hates the Galactic Federation, and could work perfectly as a "this is what their corruption creates" kind of character. They would all fit together. rondus18 wrote:HYRUL3 wrote:Epic making Metroid... from my play time with Gears and Bulletstorm (both fun in their own way), that would be like having Michael Bay make a film version of Old Man and the Sea. Thank god I never saw that rumor.
Just because Epic made some silly games doesn't mean they can't make serious games too. They chose to make Gears and Bulletstorm silly. Michael Bay didn't choose to make terrible movies, he's just incapable of making good movies. Also, play Unreal. It runs oddly if you have a quad core cpu, but play it and then tell me if you think Epic can handle a Metroid game.
I was joking. I liked both games. I just don't know if they're the right fit for Metroid.
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by Daya » 04.27.12 4:52am
VGMStudios wrote:Thanks for the laughs. I'll never believe anything the French say. Oh please, not this again.Anyway, if the stuff about Retro is true (minus the Android one), that'd be awesome, but I also hope that they don't do a prime-styled Metroid, and more like an improved version of Other M's gameplay
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VGMStudios

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by VGMStudios » 04.27.12 7:26am
AlphonseDaya wrote: Anyway, if the stuff about Retro is true (minus the Android one), that'd be awesome, but I also hope that they don't do a prime-styled Metroid, and more like an improved version of Other M's gameplay
I agree. 4ever person perspective will be a welcomed more then 1at this time around. Vgm out...
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Naner

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by Naner » 04.27.12 7:29am
I was taking a look at the original French post...NintendoTown wrote:Cette démo technique impressionnante auraite été développée en coopération avec Retro Studios grâce à une version améliorée de l'Unreal Engine 3
I'm no French, but I'm pretty sure this means something along the lines of "the demo is impressive and is being developed in cooperation with Retro Studios thanks to an improved version of Unreal Engine 3". Remember the Prime trilogy was developed in an improved version of Unreal 2. Hopefully, improved means it won't look like plastic like most other Unreal 3 games do. If I'm not mistaken, this is the same site who posted some rumors about Wii's successor having a screen on the controller and such last year, so... Well, I certainly can't wait for June 5th. BTW, I'm also in the third-person boat. EDIT: Modified Unreal 3 engine... Could it be something like this?
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okey

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by okey » 04.27.12 7:50am
rondus18 wrote:Also, play Unreal. It runs oddly if you have a quad core cpu, but play it and then tell me if you think Epic can handle a Metroid game.
The level design in Unreal is awful  It's got the same probelm as other Epic games: the enviroments are pretty but they're no fun to play around in. Not a good match for Metroid IMO.
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rondus18

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by rondus18 » 04.27.12 9:29am
You lost me at no fun. Nonetheless, poor level design is leagues from Michael Bay. How is Shadow Complex's level design? Can anyone say whether it stacks up to a Metroid game? Because if Chair knows what needs to go into Metroid levels, then I'd feel good about seeing them try their hand at a Metroid game.
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okey

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by okey » 04.27.12 10:08am
rondus18 wrote:You lost me at no fun.
Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree but man I've still got bad memories of the crashed merc ship and the sunspire and the dark maze at the end and...ugh... Nonetheless, poor level design is leagues from Michael Bay.
Gonna disagree with this too. What's the point of a Metroid game with bland levels? That was like, the worst part of Other M. (At least you could skip those cutscenes the 2nd time through)
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by rondus18 » 04.27.12 10:48am
okey wrote:Nonetheless, poor level design is leagues from Michael Bay.
Gonna disagree with this too. What's the point of a Metroid game with bland levels? That was like, the worst part of Other M. (At least you could skip those cutscenes the 2nd time through)
Michael Bay eats babeis as a hobby. Michael Bay convinced George Lucas to make the prequels. Michael Bay invented DRM. Michael Bay is not a criticism to be used lightly. You're being way too unfair.
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by Emperor Ing » 04.27.12 11:18am
I thought the creaky abandoned ship corridors were the best part about the environment of Other M - they oozed a Ridley Scott-esque atmosphere and claustrophobia (did the game always capitalize this is another question but on the whole they were pretty good). I thought the actual "environment" rooms were kind of cheesy and implausible (though I do love the one swamp room with the falling rain).
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okey

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by okey » 04.27.12 2:52pm
I thought the actual "environment" rooms were kind of cheesy and implausible (though I do love the one swamp room with the falling rain).
Yeah, they never did anything cool with the virtual reality gimmick :|
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Zynux

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by Zynux » 04.27.12 6:44pm
HYRUL3 wrote:Zynux wrote:I'm not so sure about Sylux, at least not yet. I personally feel he should appear after the whole "Corrupt Federation" arc is over (in fact, I think he should have his own arc, like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime did), having him being apart of it seems a little forced IMO.
I don't think it would be forced at all. He hates the Galactic Federation, and could work perfectly as a "this is what their corruption creates" kind of character. They would all fit together.
True, but having Sylux appear in Metroid V, when there was no mention of him at all in both Fusion and Other M (not to mention the fact that his only appearance to date is Hunters, which is pretty much a spin-off), does to me seem like he doesn't really belong there, even if it would make sense (because of his hatred for GF).
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by Tianna » 04.27.12 6:51pm
They could always, you know, do a proper introduction in the game instead of just tossing him in and saying "Here you go, even you guys who don't know who the hell this guy is or why he's the bad guy."
I never played Hunters, and I know nothing about the character. I largely know the name from the user here who uses it as their alias.
Adam was never mentioned prior to Fusion, but they managed to make his character understood and whatnot without that much trouble. (I know he's not the main villain, but he has become a rather central character.)
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