Possible idea for next metroid game.

[Thunderchin]

In general I'm not a fan of Samus taking a mission as a plea bargain so the Federation will acquit her. It sounds too much like a spy movie and too much like Samus taking suicidal orders without question again. I actually liked Other M, but I understand peoples' complaints and I think going down that path again would be a disaster. I think we need some sort of actual conflict between Samus and the Federation, but it doesn't necessarily mean she has to fight human soldiers.

Read mine. In the idea I linked, Samus doesn't take a mission as a plea bargain per se. I was thinking the exact same thing you said in the quote above when I decided Samus would win the faith of Federation personnel, and their later testimony would acquit Samus.

I had skimmed through it, but now I took the time to read through it again. I actually really like it and hope something similar becomes Metroid Dread. I liked the Federation 'Warmongers' as well. Let me guess: Sylux was a Warmonger? My only complaint on that side story is that Anthony Higgs seems very out of place as the leader of the Warmongers. He's already taken a stand against the Colonel, I doubt they'd want him for that. Still, if he says "Remember me?" when he reveals himself then I'm sold.

Glad you like it. And will do on the "Remember me" part on reveal. Probably before his men take Samus away...

That said, I still think Samus' return to the Federation is much too easy. I will be very disappointed if this conflict which has been foreshadowed for a long time is just hand-waved away. Anthony Higgs used his rank to protect her? What is he now, the commander in chief!? You're talking about a walking vault of critical military weapons research who is also a wanted terrorist that destroyed a planet and it's extensive peaceful research center! Nobody's "rank" can protect her.

I think that the shadowy figure from Metroid Fusion, the "ringleader" from Metroid Fusion, needs to become a major plot point at some time in the continuation of the series. The Federation isn't just misguided in their judgement of Samus; someone or a group of conspirators is actively working against her. Before she goes back to the Federation, we need to know why and they have to be stopped.

You have a point. Maybe Anthony's influence means Samus is still technically wanted captured by the Federation (or at least part of it), but the military branches are now disobeying orders and siding with Samus. Remembuh, Anthony is the head of the Warmongers, the best equipped and best trained fighting force in the Federation. I'm sure the rest of the military would hear the guy out.

Thus begins an internal conflict within the Federation itself. This conflict itself wouldn't make a good Metroid game. It wouldn't even make a decent one. But add in the Dread...Metroid VI would probably involve the divide in the Federation weakening it, making the Dread war against the Federation a pushover. It is only by Samus' believers exposing the true evil within the Federation that it reunites and begins making a comeback.

My belief is that the "ringleader" is actually a Kriken spy. And we go off into a whole 'nother topic...and I personally believe everything after Dread that I just said would make a better animated series than game.

[1upD]

My belief is that the "ringleader" is actually a Kriken spy. And we go off into a whole 'nother topic...and I personally believe everything after Dread that I just said would make a better animated series than game.[/color]

Oh...That's...uh...well... Really? I'd like to see the Kriken come back, but that just really doesn't seem like them. They are a threat, but if they were really behind everything we'd have heard more from them than just one game. I'd rather visit a planet they conquered than find out they're spies inside the Federation.

Personally, I want to think the ringleader from Metroid Fusion is actually an Aurora Unit. I thought back to the 'Blood of the Chozo' roleplaying forum that went on for a while. What if the 'Overdog' or whatever it was called from that series is the Federation's primary Aurora unit? The 'overlord' and 'watchdog' of the network. It was given to the Federation by the Chozo as the first part of the Aurora project, and it moderates the network. That's why he has the hologram with no face. It appears to hide his identity by showing no face, when in reality he just has no face to hide. So then the ringleader is Father Brain, basically. It would explain the rationale behind creating the Bottle Ship. The Bottle Ship is basically Mother Brain's two objectives - organize the space pirates and control the metroids. In my imagination, I could see Federation HQ being Tourian in the next Metroid, with the Federation-controlled cybernetic Space Pirates, cloned metroids, and evil Aurora unit basically replicating the Zebes space pirates we already know.

I don't know. Just my thoughts. Maybe it sounds even crazier than spies to everyone else.

[Thunderchin]

My belief is that the "ringleader" is actually a Kriken spy. And we go off into a whole 'nother topic...and I personally believe everything after Dread that I just said would make a better animated series than game.[/color]

Oh...That's...uh...well... Really? I'd like to see the Kriken come back, but that just really doesn't seem like them. They are a threat, but if they were really behind everything we'd have heard more from them than just one game. I'd rather visit a planet they conquered than find out they're spies inside the Federation.

Personally, I want to think the ringleader from Metroid Fusion is actually an Aurora Unit. I thought back to the 'Blood of the Chozo' roleplaying forum that went on for a while. What if the 'Overdog' or whatever it was called from that series is the Federation's primary Aurora unit? The 'overlord' and 'watchdog' of the network. It was given to the Federation by the Chozo as the first part of the Aurora project, and it moderates the network. That's why he has the hologram with no face. It appears to hide his identity by showing no face, when in reality he just has no face to hide. So then the ringleader is Father Brain, basically. It would explain the rationale behind creating the Bottle Ship. The Bottle Ship is basically Mother Brain's two objectives - organize the space pirates and control the metroids. In my imagination, I could see Federation HQ being Tourian in the next Metroid, with the Federation-controlled cybernetic Space Pirates, cloned metroids, and evil Aurora unit basically replicating the Zebes space pirates we already know.

I don't know. Just my thoughts. Maybe it sounds even crazier than spies to everyone else.

Because as we all know, Chozo Brain Units are a Crapshoot. Of course, if it's an Aurora Unit, didn't its human overseers catch on and disable it? We find their bodies inside the Tourian of your construction.

[1upD]

My belief is that the "ringleader" is actually a Kriken spy. And we go off into a whole 'nother topic...and I personally believe everything after Dread that I just said would make a better animated series than game.[/color]

Oh...That's...uh...well... Really? I'd like to see the Kriken come back, but that just really doesn't seem like them. They are a threat, but if they were really behind everything we'd have heard more from them than just one game. I'd rather visit a planet they conquered than find out they're spies inside the Federation.

Personally, I want to think the ringleader from Metroid Fusion is actually an Aurora Unit. I thought back to the 'Blood of the Chozo' roleplaying forum that went on for a while. What if the 'Overdog' or whatever it was called from that series is the Federation's primary Aurora unit? The 'overlord' and 'watchdog' of the network. It was given to the Federation by the Chozo as the first part of the Aurora project, and it moderates the network. That's why he has the hologram with no face. It appears to hide his identity by showing no face, when in reality he just has no face to hide. So then the ringleader is Father Brain, basically. It would explain the rationale behind creating the Bottle Ship. The Bottle Ship is basically Mother Brain's two objectives - organize the space pirates and control the metroids. In my imagination, I could see Federation HQ being Tourian in the next Metroid, with the Federation-controlled cybernetic Space Pirates, cloned metroids, and evil Aurora unit basically replicating the Zebes space pirates we already know.

I don't know. Just my thoughts. Maybe it sounds even crazier than spies to everyone else.

Because as we all know, Chozo Brain Units are a Crapshoot. Of course, if it's an Aurora Unit, didn't its human overseers catch on and disable it? We find their bodies inside the Tourian of your construction.

Sort of like [spoiler]the Zebesian bodies in Metroid: Zero Mission? [/spoiler]

I don't know, I just feel like having another AI outbreak/the return of Mother Brain (in a sense) would lend itself to the AI theme present in the Metroid manga and Other M. Then again, another awesome sci-fi franchise just killed itself by butchering that theme... It is sort of a cliche. But I just can't get rid of that image of Federation HQ as the new Tourian.

[HYRUL3]

Eh... That sounds sort of fanfiction-y to me. Then again, I can completely see Sylux assisting the Kriken in order to bring down the Federation. Also, I'd love to see both of them again.

Ouch. Well let me elaborate through my previous posts:

Sylux would work as a character because he/she/it hates the Galactic Federation. We know that at least a portion of the Federation is corrupt. Using him as not only an antagonist but as a gateway to seeing the other corruption and wrong doing that this group is capable of works very well from a narrative stand point. It also makes the narrative less black and white, and more morally grey: Who is the real villain? Is there a villain? Everyone I'm fighting against or at odds against thinks they're doing the right thing.

I was thinking Sylux could use and manipulate the enemies of the Federation to his own ends, using them to attack during the game's climax and overwhelm them. He would by no means be allies with the Kriken or whatever is left of the pirates (and screw Sakamoto, there are still pirates on the Pirate Homeworld from Corruption, and there were bound to be frigates drifting in space...), just a manipulator playing them, telling them what they want to hear.

[1upD]

Sylux would work as a character because he/she/it hates the Galactic Federation. We know that at least a portion of the Federation is corrupt. Using him as not only an antagonist but as a gateway to seeing the other corruption and wrong doing that this group is capable of works very well from a narrative stand point. It also makes the narrative less black and white, and more morally grey: Who is the real villain? Is there a villain? Everyone I'm fighting against or at odds against thinks they're doing the right thing.

That sounds very awesome. I do think Sylux should return and become the sort of anti-hero you described that fights to end the corruption in the GF but uses the wrong methods.

I was thinking Sylux could use and manipulate the enemies of the Federation to his own ends, using them to attack during the game's climax and overwhelm them. He would by no means be allies with the Kriken or whatever is left of the pirates , just a manipulator playing them, telling them what they want to hear.

I don't know... Sylux just seems like more of a lone-wolf to me. Seeing him as a leader of a 'league of evil' just doesn't sound right, although I could see him planting information to try to manipulate the Kriken.

(and screw Sakamoto, there are still pirates on the Pirate Homeworld from Corruption, and there were bound to be frigates drifting in space...)

Actually...there really aren't. All of the Space Pirates had been corrupted by Phazon at that time. The destruction of Phaaze was shown to wipe out all of the Phazon-based ships, and presumably it destroyed the Phazon metroids as well. Samus survived, but she still had some small shred of control left (I believe it said she was 99% corrupted) Why wouldn't the destruction of Phazon kill the Phazon-corrupted Space Pirates, that is to say all of them that weren't on Zebes? Even if it didn't, the Galactic Federation had launched an invasion of Urtraghus and the Pirates were falling back. Even if they survived, they would be blockaded at Urtraghus and have to defend against a full scale Federation invasion. That was the one reason I was able to accept the out-of-the-blue statement about the pirates being dead in Other M. They were pretty much completely wiped out after Prime 3 anyway, why not just accept it as an unintentional connection between the games?

[HYRUL3]

I didn't even think of the phazon insta-killing them.

And don't worry, it's not a league of evil by any means. He would be the main villain, using Kriken/other followers as cannon fodder.

[Plasma Beam]

yeah im a he
and yes it was a fangame haha
altho we could have easily ported it on a console

[1upD]

yeah im a he

Wha...oh! I'm sorry! I took the line "Also, quite rare to find a women who likes Metroid games as much as i do!" to mean you were a woman.

and yes it was a fangame haha
altho we could have easily ported it on a console

Really? Don't you need special development kits for that? Or do you mean like Wii homebrew?

[doc O. Mire]

(The following is based off of the "Mother Brain-Xanatos-Gambit" theory I came up with a while ago)

So here's an idea:
The last metroid is dead. The X escaped their supposed destruction. The entire universe is falling into chaos. And Mother Brain is sitting at the edge of the cosmos, watching her plans finally come to fruition.

Samus has a new mission, eliminate all the X and save the universe. Unfortunately, the Chozo are also back, and they aren't happy. They've seen what's happened, watched the GF's corrupt experiments, looked on in horror as Samus Aran executed the last of their children the metroids (who they believe would've been able to keep the x in check had Samus not driven them to extinction, which she is basically being blackmailed for doing so unjustly by Mother Brain), and most have decided Mother Brain was right, reality really does need to die in fire and be reborn from the ashes. And so, they strip Samus of her power suit and make her watch helplessly as the world she's helped create burns around her.

Of course, Samus has a problem with this and she and some of the space pirates, having been separated from MB, join together. (Not all pirates, mind you, as her High Command continues to try and see through MB's plan even in her absence). With all the research the pirates put into Chozo weapons, Metroid Prime being proof of this, they begin rebuilding the power suit and declare war against the X, the rogue Chozo, and Mother Brain.

The idea sounds good in my head, but I'm not sure if it would survive translation onto a page, or even further, onto a CD...

[1upD]

(The following is based off of the "Mother Brain-Xanatos-Gambit" theory I came up with a while ago)

So here's an idea:
The last metroid is dead. The X escaped their supposed destruction. The entire universe is falling into chaos. And Mother Brain is sitting at the edge of the cosmos, watching her plans finally come to fruition.

Samus has a new mission, eliminate all the X and save the universe. Unfortunately, the Chozo are also back, and they aren't happy. They've seen what's happened, watched the GF's corrupt experiments, looked on in horror as Samus Aran executed the last of their children the metroids (who they believe would've been able to keep the x in check had Samus not driven them to extinction, which she is basically being blackmailed for doing so unjustly by Mother Brain), and most have decided Mother Brain was right, reality really does need to die in fire and be reborn from the ashes. And so, they strip Samus of her power suit and make her watch helplessly as the world she's helped create burns around her.

Of course, Samus has a problem with this and she and some of the space pirates, having been separated from MB, join together. (Not all pirates, mind you, as her High Command continues to try and see through MB's plan even in her absence). With all the research the pirates put into Chozo weapons, Metroid Prime being proof of this, they begin rebuilding the power suit and declare war against the X, the rogue Chozo, and Mother Brain.

The idea sounds good in my head, but I'm not sure if it would survive translation onto a page, or even further, onto a CD...

The idea is good, but I feel like it doesn't fit with what's already been established. The Chozo have always been a positive, supporting presence in Samus' journeys. The specific Chozo that raised Samus wouldn't be so callous. And if I'm not mistaken they were all killed when Mother Brain took over. (That is, according to the manga ) Mother Brain is as dead as a doornail and has been. I'm sure Nintendo could handwave this, but it would feel pretty cheap at this point. We've completely eradicated Zebes, for crying out loud! Which brings me to my next point: the Space Pirates are all dead. Urtraghus and all Space Pirate vessels were wiped out in Prime 3, and the remaining Zebesians controlled by Mother Brain were destroyed with Zebes, according to Other M.

I'm starting to see why Nintendo has been so reluctant to start making a Metroid 5. Everyone is dead! However I personally don't think that's a good enough excuse...

[doc O. Mire]

@1upD

Unless I'm mistaken, it's said that many of the Chozo simply vanished, and the pirates were supposed to be an intergalactic threat, so while destroying their homeworld and their base on Zebes may have forced them to disband, it seems unlikely a threat built up to be so large could be eradicated so easily.

While undoubtedly most Chozo were saints, just because most of them are nice doesn't mean they all are...

And as for Mother Brain, I'd refer you to the link as that idea pretty much hinges entirely on the concept in that thread, that Mother Brain is basically a Magnificent Bastard and has been orchestrating events in the series since her first defeat.

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@1upD

Unless I'm mistaken, it's said that many of the Chozo simply vanished, and the pirates were supposed to be an intergalactic threat, so while destroying their homeworld and their base on Zebes may have forced them to disband, it seems unlikely a threat built up to be so large could be eradicated so easily.

Intergalactic? Do we have a source on that? It always bother me that it seems writers sometimes forget what a galaxy is. I don't really have any reason to believe they are intergalactic, but if they were you would have a good point. I thought it seemed like the entire organization minus Zebes turned to Phazon during Prime 3, but I could certainly be wrong.

Either way, Samus still says that they are all dead in Metroid: Other M.

While undoubtedly most Chozo were saints, just because most of them are nice doesn't mean they all are...

That's true. The old Blood of the Chozo roleplaying forum focused on the idea that some Chozo were evil. It's pretty much been declared non-canon now, but a return of the malevolent faction of Chozo would be interesting. In the manga, (which may or may not be canon) the Chozo had conditioned themselves to be incapable of violence and showed only the highest degree of empathy for other creatures. So I think the Chozo we know are virtually all saints.

And as for Mother Brain, I'd refer you to the link as that idea pretty much hinges entirely on the concept in that thread, that Mother Brain is basically a Magnificent Bastard and has been orchestrating events in the series since her first defeat.

That wouldn't be unreasonable, for sure.

I guess my biggest concern with your idea is the very end of the last sentence: "...and declare war against the X, the rogue Chozo, and Mother Brain." I feel like most people's ideas of the next Metroid completely ignore the elephant in the room, so to speak. The Federation is being manipulated by a splinter group that almost inadvertantly caused the destruction all life of the galaxy and has now branded Samus a traitor. I simply cannot imagine another Metroid game that does not address this! It's a very big deal. More insight on the Chozo would be nice for sure, it would be neat to hear from the Kriken again, and the Space Pirates have always been very evil, but Samus needs to deal with the Federation. Otherwise we don't have any more closure than we already have from Metroid Fusion. Nothing progresses.

[doc O. Mire]

@ 1upD

I was actually debating as I was typing the original post whether it should be the pirates or federation, and only chose pirates because they've already shown the ability to copy Chozo technologies. Jury's out on how well the GF could succeed at that... although Sylux's armor is GF, and it seems as though it can at least match Samus in single combat. Hm...

On the matter of the Chozo, perhaps they'd see "rebooting" all life as the greatest kindness they are capable of... (really wish there were a shrugging smiley, as I seem to keep finding situations where one would be useful)

And as for Samus' status as a traitor, is that confirmed or are we all simply assuming it? Although... assuming my theory were correct, Mother Brain would never miss an opportunity to play the odds further in her favor by manipulating the GF to have her branded as such... then again, as Adam said, "Do not worry. One of them will understand. One of them must," so she may still have some allies there.

Edit: Also, Chozo aren't capable of physical violence, but their creations are, as proven by Mother Brain, the metroids and the Torizo.

[Thunderchin]

And as for Samus' status as a traitor, is that confirmed or are we all simply assuming it? Although... assuming my theory were correct, Mother Brain would never miss an opportunity to play the odds further in her favor by manipulating the GF to have her branded as such... then again, as Adam said, "Do not worry. One of them will understand. One of them must," so she may still have some allies there.

Is it really that implausible that Samus would be branded as a traitor? She was directly responsible for the obliteration of all the Fed's shit! What kind of sane government wouldn't want Samus brought to justice?

My theory is Anthony is that one who understands, and he helps Samus foster a following. (See my and Zynux's ideas above)